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RE: WACO YMF - 9/24/2007 8:37 PM   
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P1 Drawing
P2 Rear Right side with pitch control (crank) and heater control (“T” handle under instrument panel). Also “Rear Seat Solo” placard.
P3 Close up of pitch control and heater control
P4 Upper Rear Right side with light, pitch control and placard. Note the pink tape over stringers, gray color of fabric is from the aluminum undercoat and does not color the fabric under the pink tapes.
P5 Front Right side with pitch control


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/24/2007 8:54 PM   
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Your collective help is needed. A few pages ago, I mentioned that scale functioning landing gear was under development. Dany from Team Genisis has asked Darrell Tenny at Sierra Giant to work on the gear and Darrell has indicated that he needs input from Waco YMF/UBF fans to see if there is enough interest to make the gear. Sierra is tops in making gear, much better than others. Once the drawings are complete, they can be scaled to whatever size is needed and the CNC machine can make the gear. Don't respond here, contact Darrel at www.sierragiant.com or 440-476-4885. Thanks.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 1:14 AM   
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What size fuel tank are you using on your G-26 Ken?



I have a 16 oz tank on mine. I haven't flown more than ten minutes in any single flight on my UMF, and I have well over half a tank remaining when I pump it out. My guess is 15 to 20 minutes on 16 oz and still have a decent reserve. The -26 is a stingy little engine with gas.


Skylark--that Bf 108 Taifun, is that the same type that James Garner and his buddy stole in "The Great Escape"? Sure looks like it.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 1:40 AM   
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I believe it is. Garner escaped with the forger who went blind. The one they got in the movie was plain grey, not half a pretty (and shinney Nightstalker ) as this one is. Would like to see it outside and ready to go.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 2:29 AM   
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that was the same thing i was thinking

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 4:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked at the pic again of the Taifun; it really does look like the Escape plane, but seems to me, best I can remember, the main gear on the movie plane was either fixed, or a different retract. I don't remember the "109" style gear like this Taifun has. Maybe just variants of the same basic type.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 5:56 AM   
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Status: online 		From the research I have been able to briefly do, the Bf-108 Taifun was designed with retractable main gear from the beginning in 1934. The 108 continued to built after the war by Nord (France) as the Nord 1000. I can only speculate that Garner in his role as an escapee did not know how to retract the gear. But I seem to remember that just before they crash landed, the gear was up.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 7:38 AM   
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P1/1a/1b Drawings
P2 Vertical view of the rear seat (Yes I know the bottom cushion is crooked, it is removable and I didn’t notice until later). Note the seat belts are between the sides and the cushions. No shoulder harness installed on this plane.
P3 Left side rear
P4 Right side rear
P5 Front seat (wide for one, very cozy for 2).
P6 Rear Head Rest, Front hear rest is similar, but with out top part. Front head rest can fold down for access to the rear instrument panel.


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 8:12 AM   
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P1 Step Peg drawing
P2 Step Peg. This UBF-2 has an upper and lower step. YMF/UBF normally had just the upper only on the left side, and sometimes also on the right.

P3 Pitot Tube drawing
P4 Pitot Tube on UBF-2 NC 12002 (better picture)

P5/P6 Fuel Level Indicator and Fuel Line drawings
P7 Fuel Level Indicator (Indicates about 1/4 fuel left in tank)
P8 Fuel Lines
P9 Fuel Cap and Vent lines on upper wing center (UBF-2 NC 12002)


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 9:25 AM   
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P1 Tail Light drawing
P2 Tail Light Photo
P3 Tail Light close up
P4 Tail Light close up from rear

P5 Wing Tip Light drawing (UBA and UBF-2 locations added by me)
P6 Wing Tip Light location – Right upper wing (same on YMF/UMF) on UBA NC 13041
P7 Wing Tip Light location – Left upper wing (same on YMF/UMF) on UBA NC 13041
P8 Left Wing Tip Light on UPF-7 NC 29927 for comparison
P9 Left Wing Tip light close up on UBF-2 NC 155Y (mounted as shown on drawing for the UBF-2). On this plane, during restoration the light was moved back to the tip apex from the location shown on the drawing for the YMF and as shown on the UBA.

That's the last of them folks. Any questions just ask.


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 9:58 AM   
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The eBay Waco kit went for $255.01.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/25/2007 1:49 PM   
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George and anyone else interested,

The eBay Waco kit went for $255.01.

I know, I bid it up for a while, and then asked myself, why. We can build those we have stashed, or now we can make our own kits. I would like to think that by enabling anyone to do their own, it has lowered the outrageous prices that they were bringing. Allowing for inflation, the $255.01 is not that far out of reason, considering that they were $180.00 when released. The last one on e-bay went for what, $355.00, or so? Of course, that one was pristine, while this one had been fooled with. Perhaps incomplete. I'm sure that the lady who was selling this one did not know whether it was complete or not.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/26/2007 3:42 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/26/2007 6:21 AM   
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You know, someone should send Cox a link to this thread. After 184 pages, you'd think MAYBE somebody would say, "you know we might have a demand for this kit, maybe we should start producing it again." DDDDUUUUUUHHHHH!

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Why would we want them to? They have given the plans to the AMA, and we have given the AMA the parts templates (full size). Order a set, and cut your own kit. It's much more fun that way. You can get all the hardware from other outlets, so there is nothing to hold you back, now is there? C'mon, give it a try.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/26/2007 5:36 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/26/2007 9:08 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 4:23 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 4:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, you started this thread, you have kept a record of membership, you have contributed all of your model building experience, you have answered any and all questions of any member. Please don't feel bad about not posting the cockpit prints. If you where perfect I wouldn't like you!.


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 5:14 AM   
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I forgot a picture of the Magneto Switch and am adding a couple more for comparison.

P1 Magneto Switch from UBF-2 NC 2091K
P2/2a Instrument Panel from UFB-2 NC 155Y, completely different layout (plane was used for fuel testing) with some extra instruments/controls and paneled interior. Note filler pad in the rudder pedals.
P3 Instrument Panel from UBA NC 13041(s/n 3595). Different model type with similar Instrument Panel
P4 Forward exterior port side of cockpit area of UBA NC 13041. Note the “S” style control stick (similar to the plans sheet in post 3646). The UBA is a single, side by side, dual control, cockpit, was supposed to be “the Golfers Plane” with the forward storage for the golf clubs. “Don’t drive, fly to the golf course and play golf”.
P5 Instrument Panel from UBF-2 NC 12002, note the similar, but simpler layout
P6 Instrument panel from UBA NC 12445 (s/n 3598) with different panel (no oval and straight control sticks)

Conclusion - Even between aircraft of the same year, model, and nearly consecutive s/ns, variations/modifications are possible.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 8:33 AM   
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Bill, you started this thread, you have kept a record of membership, you have contributed all of your model building experience, you have answered any and all questions of any member. Please don't feel bad about not posting the cockpit prints. If you where perfect I wouldn't like you!.


I had the same minds, thank you Bill and John


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 4:59 PM   
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Has anyone noticed that in the various magazines, all the builders/assembliers always mount the dummy engine with one clyinder at bottom dead center? I got to looking last night, and even Dick Pettit did this with the 1/6 scale version of the ARF that is in this months RCR. He also mounted the engine 90 degrees, and cut the clearence for the valve covers for the Saito .82. I think that he could have mounted the engine straight up and cut out the cowl inside the blisters, and not have needed to open the cowl up. He also commented that the Interplane struts were built wrong. Looks as if he used the Interplane struts on the wrong wings and upside down. One of the guys here locally was having that problem, and we changed sides, and turned them upside down, and they worked as they were supposed to.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 5:25 PM   
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Yes many builders have done that. I have also seen the actual power plant mounted inverted with the cylinder mounted between the lower dummy engine cylinders. These guys need to join the Brotherhood to get things correct.

I think many builders are locked into mounting the engines at O° (upright), 90° (horizontal) or 180° (inverted) as beam mounts built in were usually for those positions. With todays radial mounts being used, there is no reason not to line up the actual power plant cylinder with the correctly mounted dummy engine and remove the dummy cylinder to blend it in. One of the Brotherhood did mount his Single Cylinder Four Stroke engine upright and just removed a tiny bit of the Cowl Bumps for the rocker arms and did a nice job. The guys using twin or 3 cylinder 4s engines usually don't have to cut the cowl, but have a slightly harder time hiding the real cylinders behind the dummy engine. Lets let companies like Williams Bros., Top Flight and others know that there is a demand for 7 cylinder engines. I have written to the new owner of Williams Bros. and he says it is on the list as soon as they get the original WB stuff back in supply and some other stuff completed.

Here is a picture of the Continental engine in UBF-2 NC 2091K.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 7:25 PM   
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Great idea. I think that Williams Brothers would be the ideal people to replicate the Shaky Jake. No matter how hard you try, you won't make a Pratt & Whitney cylinder or a Continental cylinder look like a Jacobs. I can't wait for someone to come out with one.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 8:12 PM   
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I am of the same opinion, Williams Brothers would be the best with their attention to detail on the parts. The resin cast and blow molded stuff just doesn't get it. Below is the response I got from Dan shortly after Toledo when I wrote to him.

Hi John,
oh boy, I hear you on that one! Once I get this business on it's feet, I'll be looking at what it takes to fill the gaps in the model engine world! The Jacobs was on the list for sure. Also, things like Continental for J-3 Cubs!
I'll be digging into the whole mold making process later this year.
I know some of those resin kits are actually casted from our cylinders when times got desperate after WmBros, Inc went out of business. I can't blame them, but the plastic injected type is really hard to beat for detail and durability.

This line needs to grow in order to survive, so I'll be looking at several items to add to the line!

Thank you for the input- I like to hear what people are after and on the wish lists out there!
I take it seriously!


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So guys, drop Dan a line, give him a call and let him know we want the 7 cylinder radials. I suggested the Jacobs in 1/5th first, then the Continental in 1/5th followed by the other sizes (including a full display version and individual cylinders). Let him know what you want as I believe he is listening to us.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 8:42 PM   
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You know, someone should send Cox a link to this thread. After 184 pages, you'd think MAYBE somebody would say, "you know we might have a demand for this kit, maybe we should start producing it again." DDDDUUUUUUHHHHH!

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Why would we want them to? They have given the plans to the AMA, and we have given the AMA the parts templates (full size). Order a set, and cut your own kit. It's much more fun that way. You can get all the hardware from other outlets, so there is nothing to hold you back, now is there? C'mon, give it a try.

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Aaaaaahhhhhh!!! I was unaware of this. Please excuse the uninformed posting from Canada.

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