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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 8:54 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 10:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		How does one install the landing lights? I have never put actual operating landing lights on a model before but rather just indicated them. Flying lights I have used. I am worried that cutting into the L.E. will weaken the structure. How do you guys do it?

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are talking about the kit, the strength comes from the spars and the shear webbing. I think that you can remove that portion of the L/E and never worry about it. If it really bothers you, make a box assembly from lite ply and use it as the basis for the housing of the light. Then it would become stronger there than at any other point of the leading edge.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 11:39 PM   
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Just received a nice message form Darrell over at Sierra giant, asking about the Scale size needed for the Waco gear. We will see what comes of this. It would be great to have a scale gear set for these. I would immediately tear out the bottom of the new one and rebuild it if I could have a scale set.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/27/2007 11:58 PM   
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no problem with cutting the LE. You have just to make sure that both ends are ajusted by means of halfe ribs. There is no realy need to build a ply case around the LE cut out. The main spares will take care of the loads and not the LE. I used 12 smal Halogen lamps which perfectly fit on the third scale version and if lit specially on a grey cloudy day belive me you will not forget this.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 12:09 AM   
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Has anyone noticed that in the various magazines, all the builders/assembliers always mount the dummy engine with one clyinder at bottom dead center?



The only time this is accurate is if the radial is a twin row, as the rear row is the first row in the numbering sequence, and #1 would still be at the top, and since the rows are offset, the front row would have a cylinder at the bottom. I was looking at a P-47 and noticed the engine was "upside down" and got to looking at other radial installations. In every case, single row engines always have a cylinder at the top, and multi-row engines have a cylinder at the bottom on the frontmost row.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 12:19 AM   
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Go to “The Cub Den” http://www.thecubden.org/ “Lighting a Cub”. There he describes how he installed the landing lights and what he used. He also tells how he made the tip lights (very similar to Waco lights). There is also info on “How-To” make other scale details on the site.

P1 Front view of YMF Classic NC 14081 showing the locations of the lights on the lower wing.
P2 Close up of the Landing Light. Inboard light is partially blocked by paint/shield over the “lens cover”, probably to reduce glare for the pilot.


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 12:19 AM   
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How does one install the landing lights? I have never put actual operating landing lights on a model before but rather just indicated them. Flying lights I have used. I am worried that cutting into the L.E. will weaken the structure. How do you guys do it?


Another good thing to use for landing lights are the reflectors and LED bulbs from those small Mini-Maglights, the ones that use AAA and AA batteries. These are good for the smaller 1/4 and 1/5 scales. The LED's use very little battery power, and if you hook them up into the other lighting system (nav lights), they will operate a long time on a small battery. One way to operate them is to use a switch mixed into the throttle or flap channel, so when throttle is reduced for approach, or the flaps are deployed, the landing lights come on.


Skylark--howyadoin? Looks from the pics like you're getting up to CCA fairly regularly, wish I was there. I got a e-mail from Joe, he'll be at the fly-in next year, said we've got a ride waiting. To me, that's worth the commercial ticket out there.

How is Ken coming along with his DR-I? and there's a great shot of Al flying the DH-4 in this month's Air & Space Smithsonian. The picture is made above and beside him, and he's looking up at the camera, while not far over the treetops. great shot.



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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 12:33 AM   
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Hi SupercubMan,

no problem with cutting the LE. You have just to make sure that both ends are ajusted by means of halfe ribs. There is no realy need to build a ply case around the LE cut out. The main spares will take care of the loads and not the LE. I used 12 smal Halogen lamps which perfectly fit on the third scale version and if lit specially on a grey cloudy day belive me you will not forget this.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 1:01 AM   
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Ken K is progressing on the DR-1. All of the major structures, internal fuse control fittings (joy stick and cable guides), many of the fittings (interplane strut fittings) and the “guns” are complete. He has most of the sheet metal and plywood on the fuse, the center wing has been test fitted in place (bolts line up with the mounts) and he is currently assembling the landing gear legs and box beam for the axle. He also has all the ribs built for the axle wing. He hopes to have it assembled and sitting on its wheels in the next couple of weeks. I’ll try and get some pictures next weekend.

I'll have to get a copy of the A & SS mag. I don't think Al was flying the DH-4 during the Fly-IN, I bet it was Glenn or Desmond.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 1:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks very much for all that info on the lights. John, that Cub Den site is terrific! I just may use some of that info when I re-cover my poor old Supercub this winter. It was bashed from a BUSA J-3 and has done yoeman service over the past 5 years. Love my Cub as well!! I do intend to use superbrite LED's for all the running and landing lights. I want them to show up in the daylight - or at least on dull days!! I will be using a bunch of 900Mah AAA NiMh that I aquired which I can gang up to get enough oomph to drive them. Just finishing up the top wing so on to wing #2 tomorrow!

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 2:34 AM   
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Glad to see that you have connected with Darrell. I think that the quality of Sierra products is the best out there. Way above Robart and Century. I have asked him to look beyond the YMF to the others. My hope is for A true Strong Scale landing gear and Tail wheel for all Sizes WACO's .
Thank you in advance for this support.
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 4:08 AM   
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Jump over to the Giant Scale Aircraft - General >> RE: Buiding pics Waco YMF-5 Barth Modellbau and go to the last entry (post #353). Bernie (BigBoy99) has a picture of his "N" struts that also shows the cut out in the leading edge for the landing lights. It should give you the idea for your YMF. Another view is in post #350.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 5:10 AM   
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Bill
Glad to see that you have connected with Darrell. I think that the quality of Sierra products is the best out there. Way above Robart and Century. I have asked him to look beyond the YMF to the others. My hope is for A true Strong Scale landing gear and Tail wheel for all Sizes WACO's .
Thank you in advance for this support.
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TR.

A good source for the 1/5th scale tailwheel strut and fork is to contact damifino(Brother #25). He made some killer versions of the strut and fork (4130 chrome moly seamless no less). And they are perfect as well.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 8:22 AM   
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i ALMOST JUMPED IN ON THAT EBAY WACO AND FINALLY SAID "I HAVE 3 IN THE BOX NOW,PLUS THE 1 I'M FLYING DO I REALLY WANT ANOTHER, AND FINALLY SAID NO.
BUT IT WAS TEMPTING TO SAY THE LEAST.
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 2:02 PM   
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I, personally hope that the reason for the low selling price, is/was due to the fact that now anyone can order the plans and templates, buy the wood, order the cowl and wheel pants, and have a model of the WACO, built with new wood, for less than a die crunched old Pica kit.

Of course, it also might have to do with this being an opened kit, and from the photos that were taken, the box has suffered damage, and possibly the wood as well. The eventual buyer has been in contact with me, and plans to build it. Good for him. I wish him great success with it.

Me, I couldn't justify (a) another one of them, (b) having to recut so many parts, (c) finding space for another one. I am drooling over the prospect of being able to mount a Sierra Giant main gear set on mine. The main gear has always been a problem with this model, since there was no way to mount a true scale gear. I should not say that there was no way, since most of us could have made a working scale gear, if we had wanted to badly enough. Anyway, I can't wait to get my hands on one of the first sets. I have stopped working on the fuse until we find out if one will be available. I'm not going to tear the gear out of mine yet, but I don't want to have to undo more than I already will need to remove to change out the gear.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 3:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi bill I'm charlie i got the one from e-bay waiting delivery as I type , I'm r eading the thread up to page 56 a long one. I would like a mace gill so put me on your list if it transpires , spelling is not my thing as you can see ha ha , I would like to join the brotherhood if possible #36 if that is OK , Im a wwI flyer , fokkers , pups , etc , I have 1/4 1/3 pups, 1/3 dvII, `/4 d-vIII, and a gtm 1/4 d-vI just a few I have built.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 4:17 PM   
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We'd love to have you, but, #36 is long gone. It belongs to Jackk. #67 is available (as the next open number) and if you would like, that one is yours. Let me know.

I don't think that Mace will be cutting the kits. Since we made the templates available through the AMA plans service, you can now cut your own. The parts count for the YMF would make this a pretty expensive proposition for a kit cutter to attempt. We are probably talking in the $400.00 or higher range. You can get all the assistance that you require here. Please pay attention to the modifications that are offered to bring this one up to date. They are all worth your notice.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 6:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		bill 67 is just fine was my second choice anyway, can't wait for kit to get here board is empty waiting for it , how about a bcma 26 for power only 31/2' from center to top of head ?

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 8:06 PM   
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bill 67 is just fine was my second choice anyway, can't wait for kit to get here board is empty waiting for it , how about a bcma 26 for power only 31/2' from center to top of head ?

Welcome Brother #67.

Guys our family is still growing. Let's give lazyace (Brother #67) a big welcome.

I have never seen that engine. The most important thing is: will it turn an 18X6 prop at a high enough rate to generate enough thrust to fly the plane. A 26cc engine should do it, but I don't have any experience with that one.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 9:01 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/28/2007 10:25 PM   
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Hi SupercubMan,

no problem with cutting the LE. You have just to make sure that both ends are ajusted by means of halfe ribs. There is no realy need to build a ply case around the LE cut out. The main spares will take care of the loads and not the LE. I used 12 smal Halogen lamps which perfectly fit on the third scale version and if lit specially on a grey cloudy day belive me you will not forget this.

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ja ab und zu bin ich mal auf der Seite um mich zu informieren was so läuft.

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RE: WACO YMF - 9/29/2007 4:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		What do ya think Stickbuilder about an electric guy in the Waco brotherhood. I have 3 of them, well two after the new guy turned on at a real bad time. Here is the old Waco, and one of the others, just found the pictures of the new red one the guy sent me who i got it from. Let me know.
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RE: WACO YMF - 9/29/2007 5:15 AM   
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Your Wacos are looking good, welcome aboard. I like the goatee on the Grey Wacos pilot. As you are the first to use E-power, you definitely going to have to let us know what motor, prop, ESC (?), batteries and E-equipment you are using. I know nothing about E-power and all of us would like to know more. Most of us are either using either glow or gas and have been pretty well satisfied with them (glow clean up is a pain). What do you do about the "sound'.


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RE: WACO YMF - 9/29/2007 5:41 AM   
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Your Wacos are looking good, welcome aboard. I like the goatee on the Grey Wacos pilot. As you are the first to use E-power, you definitely going to have to let us know what motor, prop, ESC (?), batteries and E-equipment you are using. I know nothing about E-power and all of us would like to know more. Most of us are either using either glow or gas and have been pretty well satisfied with them (glow clean up is a pain). What do you do about the "sound'.


Thanks guys for letting the electric guy aboard, I wont let anyone trip over my electrical cord that reaches up to my plane. Now days with the lipoly set ups you can fly like anyone else. I use all AXI outrunner motors, the red Waco will get a AXI 5330/18. I will be able to swing up to a 20/12 prop but will use an 18/12 for this plane. It will have plenty of power to get you in or out of a jam. The lipoly set up is what I call a 10 cell lipoly. The two 5 cell packs running in series will put about 30 volts to this motor. On a charge it will be able to fly about 10 min of hard flying or two 6 mins of not to hard of flying. The speed controler I like is a jettie 77 amp opti style. I am going to use a spectrum 7 on this plane. After loosing my light blue baby from a turn on by a new guy at the field I will not take that chance again. I started flying electrics because the city here in Huntington Beach Ca. does not have fields set up for flying. They call our field a electric only and gliders. We are pushing the envelope on the large planes we fly there so I had to join another field somewhat further away. Bunch of great guys at the new field and they don't mind us scale electric guys.
Ok, now the question about the sound,,,,,IT SUCKS! nothing, you hear the prop in the wind and that is sorta cool but as far as cool sound coming from a big gas motor,,,well after ridding old Harleys for 25 plus years I do miss the noise, their I said it, the lack of sound coming from your plane SUCKS. You can set your plane up with a sound system now day that do sound OK. I have not gone there yet. Don't know if I will.
Again guys it is great to see all the input with the Wacos. Love em and fly em
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