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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2007 1:14 PM   
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All,

I went back to find the Skylark post and I found I was way off. The post is number 4313 on page 173. This is a Red with black or dark blue trim ZPF-7 with the factory approved coupe top modification.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2007 10:17 PM   
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I made an interesting discovery last night, I think. It seems that the Ziroli Texan cowl is a perfect match for the 1/4 scale YMF. Of course , it does not have the blisters, but the diameter and the depth seem nearly perfect, and the blisters should not be much of a problem to add.
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2007 10:54 PM   
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Hi Scott,

why don´t you use the cowl of the Barth 1/4 Waco, with all the blisters and much more details?

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2007 10:59 PM   
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If it is available here, I may consider it!!
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2007 11:08 PM   
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Scott,
try to contact to Peter Barth, he´s a member here in RCU, you find him under FMBB.
I´m shure, he helps you.


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RE: WACO YMF - 11/21/2007 11:55 PM   
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I don’t know any more about this kit, other than what is on the website, but Iron Bay Models http://www.ironbaymodelcompany.com/ has an 88” Waco UPF-7 (1/4 Scale) that is supposed to have a fiberglass fuselage and foam wings or laser cut built-up wood structure wings. Bulkheads are pre-installed, wings and tail assembled and more. Seems to be inbetween an ARF and a full wood kit and you will have to contact them for more information and pricing.


Mango12 (Scott),

This may be a source for a ¼ scale cowl for your YMF if it has the blisters. You can always make a Cuban UMF with a smooth cowl. See the NWC site for photos.


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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 12:30 AM   
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John, thanks for the suggestion, and I had actually considered that particular model, but then I saw " HB-UPZ" and, well, you know how it is. The original cowl I got for this model has two sheets of fiberglass blisters, so it won't be much trouble to add them to the AT6 cowl.
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 12:57 AM   
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John,

The IronBay UPF-7 is the old Byron's Original kit. IronBay has most of Byron's old molds, and the program for cutting the foam cores for the wings. These were great scale models 30 years ago, or even 25, but they have some issues that I don't think IronBay has resolved.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 1:03 AM   
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I had a nice surprise waiting on the front porch when I arrived home this afternoon. Fibertech must have jumped through hoops to get this one to me. Thanks Brad. Here it is, and it is great. Not a pin hole to be found. The cowl lip will need some trimming, but that is the same depth that the one that came in the kit has. It's what Dremel sells power tools for. Get yours on order fast. I bet that everyone who has the COX version will be ordering one of these.

Thanks to Jay (damifino) for building a great plug for Brad to use in making the mold. This is the first one to be delivered.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 2:08 AM   
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I looked closely at the Iron Bay pic of their UPF. I'm like John, don't know anything about them, but can immediately see several screaming departures from scale, the wings being the most glaring. The tips are ALL WRONG, they look like the original tips on my ARF. No curvature on the underside, and a very incorrect curvature on top, they look like the wings on an EAA bipe. Cabane struts wrong, fuse shape,wrong. I'm sure it doesn't cost much, too

Bill, the cowl looks wonderful. What's the price gonna be like? Can you post the exact dimensions, ie., rear diameter, and front opening diameter, and depth (which I know can be changed as needed).

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 2:39 AM   
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Ken,

As I posted, the Iron Bay Waco is the old Byrons Original plane, as are most of their offerings, with all the plusses and minuses. The wing detail is one of the minuses.

The cowl measures: Rear diameter= 8.1/4"
Front opening diameter= 6 1/8"
Length front to back= 5 1/8"

The transition from the cowl to the blisters is beautiful. He had to make the mold in 4 pieces to be able to remove the cowl with the blisters, but the glass work is exquisite. The front lip on the cowl will need to be cut back to replicate the scale opening, but again, that is what a Dremel with a cut-off wheel is for. Washing with soap and warm water will remove the release wax, and a light sanding will remove all parting lines. A little primer, and paint, and you will be good to go. There is not a single void, nor a pin hole in the cowl. Again, It's as nearly perfect as I have seen. Every blister is accurate in height and spacing.

The price is $57.00 plus shipping. It's a bargain. I don't even want to guess how many hours I have invested in the stock one, and this one is just as good (maybe a tad better) It is a little stronger than is the ABS plastic unit that comes in the kit.

Remember, this time last week, we did not have a source for a scale YMF cowl. All you could get your hands on were those for the UMF. We owe Jay (damifino) a vote of gratitude, and hat's off to Brad as well.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 2:54 AM   
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Thanks for posting the pictures of the cowl. I am very happy to hear positive feedback on the finished part. I have around 15 hours invested in the plug and to hear that Brad at Stan's turned out a nice product makes the effort worthwhile. Looking forward to getting mine. Are you happy with the height and length of the blisters? I looked at enough of them on the 'net to see they vary slightly from plane to plane and I think I hit it right in the middle as far as height goes.

Thanks for the kind words.......Jay

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 2:54 AM   
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Bill,

Thanks for the info on Iron Bay. I was looking for a kit or plans for a 1/5th or 1/6th scale De Havilland Beaver DHC-2 when I came across the site (found the DHC-2 over on the Unionville site). I didn’t look too hard at it as the Iron Bay site does not give much info or prices, just tagged it as another possible source for a Waco.

The cowl looks great (nice and uniform) and it looks like he made a 4 piece mould for it. Cell phones make nice supports, but please tell me you haven’t started with the Christmas stuff BEFORE Thanksgiving.


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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 3:41 AM   
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Jay,

Did you get to the cowl masks ?

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 4:29 AM   
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Thanks for posting the pictures of the cowl. I am very happy to hear positive feedback on the finished part. I have around 15 hours invested in the plug and to hear that Brad at Stan's turned out a nice product makes the effort worthwhile. Looking forward to getting mine. Are you happy with the height and length of the blisters? I looked at enough of them on the 'net to see they vary slightly from plane to plane and I think I hit it right in the middle as far as height goes.

Thanks for the kind words.......Jay


Jay, the blisters are great!!!!! They transition better than any that I have done. The height is perfect. You Go Guy!!!!!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 4:35 AM   
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The cowl looks great (nice and uniform) and it looks like he made a 4 piece mould for it. Cell phones make nice supports, but please tell me you haven’t started with the Christmas stuff BEFORE Thanksgiving.



I needed something with which to prop up the cowl (round stuff does roll, you know). The Christmas stuff in the background is from Janelle's hand crafted primitive Dolls and art that she makes and sells on her store on line (they won't let me mention it on RCU) She has been selling Christmas stuff since July, and will shortly switch over to things for warmer weather. Her lead time for starting the Christmas stuff is about 7 months early. People pay unbelievable prices for her craft. If your better half is interested she can visit the store at www.littlesistersdolls.com

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 4:54 AM   
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John,

The IronBay UPF-7 is the old Byron's Original kit. IronBay has most of Byron's old molds, and the program for cutting the foam cores for the wings. These were great scale models 30 years ago, or even 25, but they have some issues that I don't think IronBay has resolved.

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Try buying anything from them. I haven't had any luck for a while. Byron's UPF's .

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 4:56 AM   
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Bill,

Thanks for the link and I understand lead times. I was hoping you hadn't started decorating for Christmas, but with Jannelles craft work it must look like Christmas most of the year.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 7:13 AM   
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Thanks for the link and I understand lead times. I was hoping you hadn't started decorating for Christmas, but with Jannelles craft work it must look like Christmas most of the year.


Nope, not decorating for Christmas yet.....We'll do that on Friday. But, yes, she makes Santa's and Snow men, and Nativities and such, from the middle of summer until about the first of December, so It's pretty much Christmas for half the year. Then she gets into making doll clothes and shoes for the American Dolls that so many people collect. They seem to change the clothes and shoes on these dolls as often as they would dress their kids. Spend money like it's water. Don't ever let the women tell you that our hobby is expensive.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 7:44 AM   
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Cowl masks......not yet, I have to have a cowl before that can happen. Maybe before christmas.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 8:51 AM   
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Cowl masks......not yet, I have to have a cowl before that can happen. Maybe before christmas.

Ahem.........You are getting the first one that was pulled. I can't help it if you live out in the Toolies.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 1:49 PM   
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sklarkmk 1 ,I built this dhc-2 from a unionville kit...around 180 bucks.It has an 8 foot wingspan.I did a few mods to the kit but overall it was good.I built my own wingtips and put all the servos in the wings.Covered with solartex and powered by a saito 120.This plane flies great.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 6:07 PM   
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Snowball,

Thanks. I want to build one to go along with the Super Cub I am building. I was thinking about doing the paint scheme similar to the SCs and DHC- 2s that are featured in the “Bush Pilots of Alaska" video. The Unionville DHC-2 seems to be one of the nicest kits out there although there is a set of plans/laser cut kit by "Mr Aerodesign" that has many parts available (landing gear, cowl, tail fairing etc) that is also very nice but a bit bigger.


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RE: WACO YMF - 11/22/2007 6:16 PM   
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i got an idea to build a 42% CubJ3 along with a 40% Waco.....

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 3:24 AM   
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Jim Henley---As promised, here are some shots of the spring struts I made for my UMF. First one shows the spring assembly as it mounts to the forward gear mount block; the second shows the spring assembly by itself, and the third shows the bracket location on the lower gear leg for the other end of the strut. You could probably substitute aluminum tubing 1/4 " diameter for the carbon fiber I used. I had a rod that was 3/16 square. I laminated a couple of pieces side-to-side to make the struts 3/16 x 3/8, and they are about 7-1/2 inches long with the brass pieces at each end for the screws to fit through (4th pic).

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