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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 5:05 AM   
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I see that you cut some weight out of the main gear. Are you going to go for one of the new cowls? I think that they would fit yours just fine.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 6:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a little teaser as to what I have been doing this afternoon. I wanted something other than the cookie cutter instrument panels that I always see. Here is the main panel sheet, with the instrument insert. The holes will be filled with a scale set of instruments from Hobby Lobby. The main panel is from gun stock cherry, and the insert is golden oak. The sides and back of the cockpit will be from the gunstock cherry, with the exposed tubing as an overlay. the floorboard will be matte black, and I'm thinking about having the stick and rudder pedals linked to the control servo's as well. The pilot is from an Officer and a Gentleman, and has khaki trousers and a red leather flight jacket.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 6:42 AM   
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I am using a panel very similar except the insert on mine is brushed brass, .005 thick with a 3/32 square aluminum border. I'll post some photos when I get a little farther along with it. The Genesis cockpit is a lot different shape than the original Picas.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 6:46 AM   
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I see that you cut some weight out of the main gear. Are you going to go for one of the new cowls? I think that they would fit yours just fine.



Yeah, Jay convinced me that it would be plenty strong if I removed the center of the gear leg and I also removed a square section between the mounting rails. So far it has worked very well, I had it bend very slightly at the bottom tab where the axle bolts in, the last hard landing I had. I was telling Jim Henley that the struts limit the spread of the legs on landings, and once the struts reach the limit of the spring travel, that's the only place that has any "give" left. You have to hit pretty hard, though. I really think that softer tires help the landings a lot, and my Sullivan wheels are a bit harder than I like.

I do like the cowl, and will probably order one in the next few weeks. I don't fancy having to mask off those dang blisters, though; it was a real PITA the first time around.

Speaking of acronyms, I heard one I like, fits me pretty well, anyway: P I C N I C---- Problem In Chair Not In Computer

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 7:22 AM   
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Great to hear from you. How about posting some pics of your genesis? I'm sure we would all love to see them. Don't stay away so long.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 7:29 AM   
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Speaking of Sullivan Wheels, I checked the plastic wheel version of the 4" wheels out at the hobby shop, and could not tell much difference between them and the ones that I use (aluminum wheel). They both felt pretty soft. I do know that the aluminum wheel version uses a foam inner liner. Don't know about the plastic wheel version.

The cowl is worthy of taking the time to do as it should be done. I'm thinking that mine will have the crab design on the blisters, rather than just painting the entire blister as I did on the ABS plastic version. It will obviously take more time (lots) but I think that the end result would justify the expenditure.

I still like the acronym; Delta Squared, Sierra Squared.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 7:35 AM   
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Here is the latest ones I took, more updated ones to follow.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 3:54 PM   
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Is that the Moki 215 on the front? we have several members of the Brotherhood running this engine on their big Wacos. I was impressed with the power that this engine develops. When Mike Barbee was flying his at Top Gun this year, you could hardly hear it in the air. If more than one plane was up, you actually could not hear the 215 running. It was smooth as glass. Pity Moki doesn't make one in the size that would be useful for the fifth scale. They have the new 150 out which would probably work well for a quarter scale version.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 5:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank You Ken, I think I can adapt that to my WACO. I will have to come up with a way to secure the mount to the music wire but I think it is do-able. How did you fabricate the brass ends? Was it from sheet stock? How thick?
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 7:29 PM   
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Thank You Ken, I think I can adapt that to my WACO. I will have to come up with a way to secure the mount to the music wire but I think it is do-able. How did you fabricate the brass ends? Was it from sheet stock? How thick?
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We should have the scale gear available shortly from Sierra Giant Scale. I believe they will be worth the expense and the wait. The stock gear has always been the stumbling point for the fifth scale Waco from Pica. The new gear should alleviate the problems with bouncy landings. If they do not completely eliminate the problem, they should at least mitigate the lack of shock absorbtion. Give Darrell a call.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 9:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have any ideas as to what modifications will have to be made, and will the new installation take away from the original design looks of the model?
I have already covered the belly of the plane and landing gear fairings, but if it will keep me from playing basketball on the runway it may be worth it to do open heart surgery.
I would like to see pictures before I commit to the project.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 9:42 PM   
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Do you have any ideas as to what modifications will have to be made, and will the new installation take away from the original design looks of the model?
I have already covered the belly of the plane and landing gear fairings, but if it will keep me from playing basketball on the runway it may be worth it to do open heart surgery.
I would like to see pictures before I commit to the project.

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As soon as I get my hands on the pre-production prototype, I will post pictures. I think we will have to add a plate to the existing hardwood gear mounts, and the gear will mount to the plate. I, too will need to perform surgery (once again) to this one. This plane has been apart and together so many times, you can just about whistle, and it will disassemble and reassemble. Tons of modifications on the fly, but if they all prove out, it will have been worth it.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 10:44 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 11:06 PM   
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Fellow Brothers: NEED YOUR HELP...Need to find a picture of the Waco Classic logo w/ Black center leteering and gold wings...cannot find it in the Net...

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You are actually Brother #48. Look on page 176, starting with post # 4380. I think that this is what you are looking for. There are some more below that.
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/23/2007 11:28 PM   
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I don’t know any more about this kit, other than what is on the website, but Iron Bay Models http://www.ironbaymodelcompany.com/ has an 88” Waco UPF-7 (1/4 Scale) that is supposed to have a fiberglass fuselage and foam wings or laser cut built-up wood structure wings. Bulkheads are pre-installed, wings and tail assembled and more. Seems to be inbetween an ARF and a full wood kit and you will have to contact them for more information and pricing.


Mango12 (Scott),

This may be a source for a ¼ scale cowl for your YMF if it has the blisters. You can always make a Cuban UMF with a smooth cowl. See the NWC site for photos.



The Byron kits were great. The foam got dinged easily but.....in every other aspect for "Stand off scale" model which is pretty much what every other model discussed here they were great. Hugely popular for those who could afford them. I heard though the grapevine that the assets were sold for a song and the expertise to run the now old injection machines can not be found. When it first changed hands there were lots of bits to be had. Call and ask for something, that will qualify the situation. For months I got the fax machine, at the moment the line is busy. The site has little and says that lots more in not available.

http://www.ironbaymodelcompany.com/index_files/ModelAirplaneKits.htm

There is a kit here, and may be a deal yet.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RC-Airplane-Byron-Originals-Kit_W0QQitemZ180181945961QQihZ008QQcategoryZ19164QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Still busy, if I get my Waco parts I'll be back.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 12:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The National Waco Club has the best rendition of the original Waco Logo/Emblem. I am a member but it is not my position as a new member to decide to post it here. Go to
http://www.nationalwacoclub.com/

There is a contact link to the president Andy Heins. If you tell him that you are a member of the Brotherhood and what your intentions are in using it I am sure he would e-mail you a copy of it. As another member stated a while back, there are settings on the NWC website that prohibit copying pictures and such from the site. I mentioned this to Andy regarding my wanting a picture of a ZPF-7 to place on my computer desk top wallpaper. Andy sent me all of the pictures of every ZPF-7 the following day. He understands fanactic love for the Waco. A polite request just might gain you a copy of the original Waco Logo. It really is nice in its original Gold and Black. Although the picture posted on page 176 is accurate it is not portrayed in its original color format.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 12:03 AM   
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maybe this will help.. go to the store......
http://www.wacoclassic.com/about.html

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 12:27 AM   
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Hope this comes through..

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 1:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Someone else here posted this a while back. It's the best I've seen. With this, a Photoshop operator and the real trouble, a printer with metallic ink, they do exist though, it may possible. Color copiers will suffice for small images quite remarkably. The smaller prvious image is crisper. Maybe it would work better. Testors ink jet printer paper in clear or white backgrounds work great once sealed if you have an image to copy.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 2:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The old folks back where I grew up had a saying "Idle hands are the devils work shop" So this is what came out of the work shop today. This is a poor copy of the setup Khodges built for his WACO, instead of the carbon fiber with brass ends, I used 440 threaded rod and 256 links for the brace. Once I get everything adjusted, I will slip some 1/4 aluminum tube over the rod. I still have to figure out how to attach the mount for the brace to the music wire, but I am leaning toward soldering some brass stock between the front and rear music wire legs to attach the mount for the 256 link.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 3:24 AM   
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The National Waco Club has the best rendition of the original Waco Logo/Emblem. I am a member but it is not my position as a new member to decide to post it here. Go to
http://www.nationalwacoclub.com/

There is a contact link to the president Andy Heins. If you tell him that you are a member of the Brotherhood and what your intentions are in using it I am sure he would e-mail you a copy of it. As another member stated a while back, there are settings on the NWC website that prohibit copying pictures and such from the site. I mentioned this to Andy regarding my wanting a picture of a ZPF-7 to place on my computer desk top wallpaper. Andy sent me all of the pictures of every ZPF-7 the following day. He understands fanactic love for the Waco. A polite request just might gain you a copy of the original Waco Logo. It really is nice in its original Gold and Black. Although the picture posted on page 176 is accurate it is not portrayed in its original color format.

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Ben,

You are every bit as much a member as anyone here. Post what you wish. I, too am a member of the National Waco Club (#109) We are very happy to have you here. Don't wait for an invitation to post something. Grab it and growl.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 3:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jim, that looks great!. Soldering the brass plates between the wire gear legs would be the only secure way I can think of to make the lower attach points.I'd go with 1/8 brass stock between the gear legs, and maybe reinforce the joint by wrapping a piece of 1/16 around the legs, overlapping the 1/8 piece. I used 1/16 brass at the ends of the struts, it's held up so far (believe me, I've tested it well ) All that will hide competely when you fair in the wire gear. The spring at the top should be stiffer than you think it should be. I can't collapse the one on my gear between my fingers, but the plane easily bottoms it out; then it's up to the resilience of the tires to damp the rest of the shock.

On a separate note, I finally (I hope) got my Fuji to run smoothly at a decent rpm (7100-7150) for an entire tank of gas this afternoon. It sounds like it isn't being loaded enough at WOT, we'll see what it does in flight this weekend, if the winds hold. I changed a couple of things in the fuel system. I think what was happening was where the fuel line passed through the engine mount box. It had a rubber grommet holding it fairly firmly, and I believe engine vibration (the high freq stuff at high rpm) was foaming the fuel where it came through the grommet, only 2 inches from the carb nipple. I removed the grommet, which allows now for the line to freely pass through a larger opening and not directly contact the sides of the box. Not as neat-looking an installation, but it makes a difference.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 4:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken, Thanks for the information, I was wondering about the spring, based on your remarks mine is not strong enoough, so I'll check and see what I can come up with tomorrow. How much clearnace did you leave between the strut mount and the underside of the fuselage or did you recess that into the fuse? Do you use a propane torch or map gas? AND do you use silver solder?
Good to hear you are getting your gasser figured out, sometimes it amazes me how a small detail can cause so much trouble.
Thanks again !

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 4:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		The small bracket that the struts attach to sits just "proud" of the fuse bottom, but the hole it pokes through is square and just larger because it's on the belly pan(the ARF has a removable "pan" between the gear legs)and I have to be able to remove it to gain access to my fuel tank and smoke tank (still haven't tried to fix the smoke pump, I think the control module failed)

When I solder something that will take a lot of stress, I use silver solder; I use MAPP gas because the flame is hotter than propane. I also use a couple of aluminum clamps above and below the area I'm soldering as a heat sink to keep the wire from getting too hot away from the work area, to help preserve the temper. The clamps will "wick" some of the heat away. I don't remember where they came from; if you have a couple of old jumper cable clamps they work well, too (copper and aluminum are both excellent heat conductors)

I bought a package of assorted springs at Lowe's; different lengths, diameters and stiffnesses. The one I used is about an inch long, 1/4 inch diameter, and like I said, stiff enough that I can't collapse it between my fingers.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/24/2007 4:41 AM   
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Here are a few photos that follow the same line as Kens;

P1 Bottom view of the Barth YMF, 33%
P2 Inside view of the Barth YMF, 33%
P3 What it looks like on a full scale YMF Classic NC 14081

Just remember that the full size bracket is welded to the frame and the shock absorbing is in the gear legs, which hopefully we will have very soon.


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