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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 5:59 PM   
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Hi Jim,

Thanks. Works like a charm. I had never used the "selection" feature before.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 6:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, that is VERY kind of you! Especially in light of the scale departures that khodges mentioned in the Cox-Pica model. But I think that in any case I'm okay right now, I've had a 1/5th scale Pica kit offered to me for 300.00, with some of the fiberglass missing, and a 1/6th scale Pica kit offered to me for 200.00 with the tailfeathers started.
With the move back to Texas still looming on the Horizon for me, I think that my wisest choice will still be the 1/6th ARF. Since I'm not at all fond of the dark blue theme I probably strip it and recover it in a White with Red Trim theme. Up until now that has been the single thing that has stopped me from getting that ARF. I might think about doing some bashing then, maybe I can straighten out the wing dihedral issues and/or the wingtips. Despite my thoughts of making an exception for a large WACO bipe, I think that until I'm settled in a permanent workshop at my place in Texas I should not get into anything too large.
I've been building for 30 years, and I have to admit that having everything you've ever built stolen all at once, that takes the wind out of your sails like nothing else. I shouldn't let it, but it has soured me on building from kits or plans. I'm going to stick with the ARFs and nothing much more in-depth than what I mentioned above.
With the pile of ARFs I have on deck here, I'm going to be building hard all winter anyway! And yeah, there are already a few different types of Bipes here now. Sun Dancer, Pitts, Ultimate....

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 6:11 PM   
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I live in Maine but not on an Island off the coast. I do still backpack on the A.T. near Moosehead lake, Barren Mountain and Borestone Mountain are my favorites. It seems to strengthen my knees some (Hurts like crazy sometimes too). I've still never hiked up Katahdin, and I live an hour or so from it. 12 miles, all of it UP... I worry that I wouldn't be alive for the 12 miles back DOWN....

Yes, it's beautiful here, but I'm 6'2" and the snow is mid-thigh-deep right now, with Christmas still a few days away. I will be glad when I'm in San Antonio again. Flying down for two weeks in January!

Thanks for the scale tips, I'm certain that this thread is just packed with them, a fella could really do a super-scale job on a WACO using what's here.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 6:35 PM   
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Aerofiles http://aerofiles.com/_waco.html has a list of Wacos impressed by the US Military, I think all were cabin models, most were painted OD green with the large star on the fuse (not sure of the wing markings). Cuba recieved some UMFs with smooth cowls (see the National Waco Club site photo album F-3/F-5) and a S3HD-A that crashed shortly after arrival in Cuba. Claude McCullough did a great model of the S3HD-A. Others were exported, I believe to Brazil and some other South American Countries, Check the Aerofiles listing under the codes, it list the model, how many were made and how many exported.

Also see the Waco Classic Aircraft site http://www.wacoclassic.com/ , the photo album has some custom paint jobs.

Other places to look are the Civil Defense Aircraft (round emblem with white triangle and red prop, except on coastal patrol a/c) and the Coast Guard, I think one of the rubber powered model companies did a Waco that way.

There was a UPF-7, NC 29927, that attended the 2007 Waco Fly In at Creve Coeur done up in military colors, See picture.

Don't forget the Waco CG-4A Hadrian Glider used in WWII to get troops behind enemy lines.

To join, just ask. No dues, no duties, no officers (except Bill - membership and myself - appointed/annointed as historian, niether position can be gotten out of ).

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 7:17 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 7:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was hoping to make the roster the first post on this milestone page (200) but, when you snooze, you lose. John, you make one mistake. Bill is not an officer in the Brotherhood. You have the sole office in the organization. Bill is just one more member of the Brotherhood. I have been holding down an imaginary post. any Brother can accept a membership request.

As to the question about my front door size, the average front door here in Central Florida has to be pretty wide to accomodate the Wide Load Gals that seem to populate this geographic locale.

The Better half is the exception to that rule (see how easy I got out of that doghouse?)

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 7:27 PM   
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Bill, that is VERY kind of you! Especially in light of the scale departures that khodges mentioned in the Cox-Pica model. But I think that in any case I'm okay right now, I've had a 1/5th scale Pica kit offered to me for 300.00, with some of the fiberglass missing, and a 1/6th scale Pica kit offered to me for 200.00 with the tailfeathers started.
With the move back to Texas still looming on the Horizon for me, I think that my wisest choice will still be the 1/6th ARF. Since I'm not at all fond of the dark blue theme I probably strip it and recover it in a White with Red Trim theme. Up until now that has been the single thing that has stopped me from getting that ARF. I might think about doing some bashing then, maybe I can straighten out the wing dihedral issues and/or the wingtips. Despite my thoughts of making an exception for a large WACO bipe, I think that until I'm settled in a permanent workshop at my place in Texas I should not get into anything too large.
I've been building for 30 years, and I have to admit that having everything you've ever built stolen all at once, that takes the wind out of your sails like nothing else. I shouldn't let it, but it has soured me on building from kits or plans. I'm going to stick with the ARFs and nothing much more in-depth than what I mentioned above.
With the pile of ARFs I have on deck here, I'm going to be building hard all winter anyway! And yeah, there are already a few different types of Bipes here now. Sun Dancer, Pitts, Ultimate....

jim

Jim, Grab the fifth scale kit if you can. You wouldn't use the plastic parts anyway, and you can get the cowl and wheel pants from Stan's, and the cowl is correct for the first time.

The fifth scale is only 72 inch wingspan, and should be a better flyer than the 60 inch version. I was on your post in the Clubhouse right after your planes were stolen, and we talked about my buying your old JR transmitter.

Don't give up on building, they take a dim view of thieves down in Texas.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 7:39 PM   
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I think I will use some carbon fiber or aluminum tube (or maybe bicycle spoke or 4-40/6-32 all thread) with wood epoxied on both sides, taper from the tube to the edges with the tube as the high (or thickest) part and then round the leading and trailing edges. What I will use will depend on what clevises and other fittings I can find in the appropriate scale.

Lazy Ace, The St Louis area just had a little snow storm (one of the top 7 in recent years) last week, but the temps warmed up and rain has now washed it all away.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 7:47 PM   
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You are the keeper of the list, founder of the Brotherhood and this thread/forum and there fore the un-official (imaginary) official president of the WB.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 8:13 PM   
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Bill,

You are the keeper of the list, founder of the Brotherhood and this thread/forum and there fore the un-official (imaginary) official president of the WB.


To Quote a famous (or is that infamous) politician, "If nominated, I will not run, If elected, I will not serve".

This orgainzation/thread has been operating quite well without any elected official for well over a year now. I ain't rockin' the boat.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 8:36 PM   
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I never said you were elected, it just sorta happened by default. If you did not have the position, how did you decide/declare/appoint that I was the official Historian.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 9:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. This is startin' ta get complicated! So, this means that officially I'm unofficial too? ***whew***

Yes, Bill, I remember corresponding with you about that TX. I actually was reading through old messages this morning and read those. So, those original 1/5 PICA kits, they're basically treasures to a Bipe modeler and I should grab one when I get the chance?

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 10:38 PM   
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Wow. This is startin' ta get complicated! So, this means that officially I'm unofficial too? ***whew***

Yes, Bill, I remember corresponding with you about that TX. I actually was reading through old messages this morning and read those. So, those original 1/5 PICA kits, they're basically treasures to a Bipe modeler and I should grab one when I get the chance?

Jim

Any Pica kit is a treasure, but not the kind that you hoard, but the kind that you build (and fly). If you have the opportunity, by all means, grab it. This does not mean pay an exorbitant price for it, since you can now cut your own (for the first time).

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/21/2007 10:41 PM   
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Bill,

I never said you were elected, it just sorta happened by default. If you did not have the position, how did you decide/declare/appoint that I was the official Historian.


Old Chineese proverb says, "It is always easier to gain forgiveness, than to obtain permission".

Anyway, someone has to be the historian, and keeper of the facts. It just happened to the correct person in this instance. You probably have more knowledge of the WACO brand than any living human, so it is just a natural fit, and a very good one, I might add.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 1:58 AM   
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The latin american aviation historical society has some side views of several WACOS in latin ameican armed forces paint schemes.
I am sure that if you ask for help, you will get diffeent views of a particular model
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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 2:10 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 2:35 AM   
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I take exception to the quality of the BCMA ENGINES, there customer service is great but the engines leave something to be desired. I purchased the 26cc engine and it vibrated off the mount. The prop shaft had a runout of .020, so I sent it back, the owner indicated that it met his specs. I ended up with a Zenoah 26cc and could not be happier.


I might be wrong, but I don't think that anyone has considered the BCMA engine for their WACO. A few of us are either using the G-26 or have bought one. I think that even given the extra lard of the G-26, it may prove to be a great engine for the fifth scale.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 4:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill and John, you guy's have to take credit for what have you contributed to the airplane modeling world. Bill, you started this, John, you have supplied documentation and photographs that would not be so readily available to us if it were not for your love of the WACO. Bill, you have many, many hours of building experience with this model that also would not be here for use if not for the same reason. I don't think you two guy's truly know how much you have given to the modeling community. The same for all the brothers for all they have contributed. I'll bet there are hundreds of airplane model builders reading these posts who have never checked in.

Brother's, what do you think?. Should we hold an election?


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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 5:38 AM   
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Bill and John, you guy's have to take credit for what have you contributed to the airplane modeling world. Bill, you started this, John, you have supplied documentation and photographs that would not be so readily available to us if it were not for your love of the WACO. Bill, you have many, many hours of building experience with this model that also would not be here for use if not for the same reason. I don't think you two guy's truly know how much you have given to the modeling community. The same for all the brothers for all they have contributed. I'll bet there are hundreds of airplane model builders reading these posts who have never checked in.

Brother's, what do you think?. Should we hold an election?


No, No election. The basic rules of the Brotherhood was that there would be no meetings, no dues, no elections, and no officers. The Brotherhood Historian is not an officer, but the official keeper of the specifications for the marque. We should not try to violate the Basics of the Brotherhood that have so far withstood the test of time. Let's not mess with a good thing here. Thanks for the input, but I'm against it. If you have any officers, then that leads to more rules, and more rules leads to less interest.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 5:45 AM   
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Were you refering to the democrat run congress on your last post, on the last sentence ?

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 5:48 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 5:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that I can speak for John here. I had a dream of resurecting the Pica Waco YMF/UMF. I only wanted this wonderful model airplane to not become lost to the ages, as have so many grand old model airplanes. This undertaking was accomplished with the help, aid, assistance, and goodwill of many model airplane enthusiasts. It is not, nor has it been the work of only a couple of people, but rather the determination of many. I don't know how many times that I was ready to give up on the tracing of all the cut parts, only to be prodded by e-mails, PM's and phone calls. John is the repository of more knowledge of Waco aircraft than anyone that I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.

There is no credit to be taken with this endeavor. It was a labor of love on my part, as I'm sure it was from everyone who participated. There have been contributions, both large and small, but all have been of equal value. This is not, "Stickbuilder's thread", as I have seen it called elsewhere. It is the property of all members of the Waco Brotherhood. You are all equal owners of all that is found herein. It doesn't matter if you came in early, or have just joined, or even if you won't become a Brother for years. Once you do, you can take pride in the fact that we didn't let the Pica Waco YMF die. It lives. As long as the AMA maintains the plans service, model builders will be able to cut the kit and build this most beautiful of all Biplanes. That is not just an accomplishment, it is a Legacy. I am proud, and at the same time humbled to have been a part of it.

Merry Christmas, and best wishes for the coming New Year. I hope that you all prosper, and are able to realize your dream of having this model completed and in flying condition.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 5:51 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 5:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was one year and nine months ago today that I made the first post on this thread. There have now been four thousand nine hundred and ninety nine posts since that day. I hope that you will all allow John to make the milestone post that will take us into the five thousand plus posting record. He has earned that right.

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RE: WACO YMF - 12/22/2007 6:08 AM   
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Just got home from work and I thank you all for the letting me have post 5001 as Bill has the honor for Post 5000.

I also thank Bill for his fore thought in starting this thread; with out his effort and guidance, I would not have made the effort to become Waco informed. I am fortunate enough to live relatively close to Creve Coeur Airport (or Dauster Field), Home of the Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum (with at least a dozen Wacos in it) and host to the American Waco Club annual Fly In.

To Terry Chastain, Chief Waco restorer for the HARM, Al Stix and John Cournoyer, principles in the HARM and Creve Coeur Airport and members of the AWC, NWC, Joe at Waco Classic Aircraft and others, many thanks for sharing your knowledge and allowing me to photograph your planes to pass on to the Waco Brotherhood.

As those of you who have looked at the House of Moy site http://www.houseofmoy.com/waco/ have found out, I have compiled a list of Waco information that is by no means complete, but from these sources, I have gained the knowledge that is available to anyone who puts fourth the effort to learn. If anyone has additional sources of info, documentation, plans etc. please send them to me so the list can be updated.


< Message edited by skylarkmk1 -- 12/22/2007 6:25 AM >

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