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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 1:36:52 AM   
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Is it a kit, or an ARF, and who makes it? Too bad they can't get the scale details right (wingtips). Doing them correctly is no harder than just sticking on whatever you have lying around.

I don't get RC Report, so I can't look at it.

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 2:05:12 AM   
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Is it a kit, or an ARF, and who makes it? Too bad they can't get the scale details right (wingtips). Doing them correctly is no harder than just sticking on whatever you have lying around.

I don't get RC Report, so I can't look at it.

It's built from Scale Plans and Photo Service Plans. They call it, "Scratch Built". It's no wonder that the new guys are confused as to what is Scratch and so-on, when the magazines can't even get it right. All in all, it's pretty nice looking, just some glaring things that are not exactly right. The cowl looks to be from Fiberglass Specialists, and it's awfully short and pudgy looking too. He's using 4 aileron servos, and the elevator servos are externally mounted at the tail. Looks like a generic tailwheel too. All the strut mounts are double shear, and look very good. The mains don't appear to be sprung. The wing tips appear to be flat all the way to the tip rib, and then there are some stiffeners from the tip rib to the tip, giving it a typical sport model look to the tips. The tips look like those found on a super aeromaster. It's covered in ultracote, and has a G-62 for power. He claims 24 pounds. Sometimes I think that the magazine editors think that if it has 2 wings and a round engine, it's a YMF. They never learn.

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 6:27:25 AM   
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Can some one help me? How hard is it to fly a Waco? What would be a good ARF? I was thinking of the Great plane Super Stearman but I like the Waco. My son and I flew in a 1940 Waco at a air show in Hawthorne Calif. I have loved them after that first flight. I have built many war birds and now I would like to try some thing new. Thanks for any help

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 10:50:36 AM   
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Can some one help me? How hard is it to fly a Waco? What would be a good ARF? I was thinking of the Great plane Super Stearman but I like the Waco. My son and I flew in a 1940 Waco at a air show in Hawthorne Calif. I have loved them after that first flight. I have built many war birds and now I would like to try some thing new. Thanks for any help


Cox offers the UMF (they call it the YMF) in both 1/6th and 1/5th scale. Both are reported to be great flying models, but lose some of the scale outline (mainly in the wings). Sig offers the SRE as an ARF as well, and from all reports is a great flying model. There is also a UPF-7 that Kangke offers that fly's well too. You can order the original Pica fifth scale plans from the AMA plans service, and they include the parts templates from the Waco Brotherhood. You can cut your own kit and build it. Brad (Stan's Fibertech) offers the correct cowl and wheel pants to be able to build a YMF. You can get the Peter Barth kits from Germany in both 1/4 and 1/3rd scale (very good kits) there is the Jim Pepino plans for 1/4 scale, and this set of plans requires some serious rework to be close to scale, but makes a great flying model. The old Genesis kits have been re-released by a Canadian company, and they offer the kit in 1/3 rd scale, and 40% size as well. How deep are your pockets, and how strong is your committment to one of these?

Waco's are not terribly hard to fly. If fact when trimmed and balanced correctly, they fly very well indeed. You must remember that as with all radial engined biplanes, they require some throttle on landing, since the parasitic drag is very high, and they will stop flying and become an anvil right now. Keep the nose a little low on approach, and keep some throttle in. Make wheel landings, and leave the 3 pointers alone. This is not a 3-D airplane, but will perform all the prototypical manuvers well. It will be the best looking model at the field, and be prepared to answer a lot of questions. Everyone loves a Waco. You will be questioned by the old timers, as well as those who don't know a propeller from a pitot.

I would probably reccomend the Cox fifth scale version, and would suggest the O.S. FT-160 twin for flying. That's a pretty expensive engine, and there are others that will fly the model well. The Zenoah G-26 works well, but will require some modifications to the lower Boot cowl. The O.S. 120 4 stroke works well, as will the Saito 120. If you have a good radio system (computerized is best) be sure to set it up with a lot of aileron differential.

Hang out with us here in the Brotherhood. There is a wealth of information based on personal experience with these models to be found here. Join us, if you like. It's a great group (the leader is a tad grouchy at times though).

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 8:55:49 PM   
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quote:

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Can some one help me? How hard is it to fly a Waco? What would be a good ARF? I was thinking of the Great plane Super Stearman but I like the Waco. My son and I flew in a 1940 Waco at a air show in Hawthorne Calif. I have loved them after that first flight. I have built many war birds and now I would like to try some thing new. Thanks for any help


To add to Bill's reply above, www.vintagercplans.com has plans (Sid Morgan) for the SRE, builds about the same size as Sig's ARF, flies on a .60-.90 glow.

If you can find one, the Cox YMF/UMF ARF does fly well, I have the 1/5 scale, but if you're a scale purist it needs attention. I hear noises that the 1/5 scale is not available, but the 1/6 is. Every now and again, an original Pica kit shows up on E-bay, if you don't want to cut all the pieces. If you want to shoot craps, Ikon NWest has a 1/5 UPF-7, I have the kit unbuilt (not for sale), but the plans look like a good build.

I know what you mean about flying in the full-scale. Got to ride in a UPF-7 last summer, and am totally hooked. Hoping to go back next month (St. Louis) and do it again.

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 9:08:12 PM   
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Thanks ! I couldn't find the cox model. I tried to look up Sig and could not get in. I like the looks of the UPF-7 Kangke. The 1940 Waco that I went up in, had a two place cockpit. Is there a ARF like that? The GP super stearman has a lot of problems with the ARF. How is the ARf from Kangke? Thanks agin for your help!

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/13/2008 10:21:47 PM   
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Thanks ! I couldn't find the cox model. I tried to look up Sig and could not get in. I like the looks of the UPF-7 Kangke. The 1940 Waco that I went up in, had a two place cockpit. Is there a ARF like that? The GP super stearman has a lot of problems with the ARF. How is the ARf from Kangke? Thanks agin for your help!

There is a thread in the ARF forum on this plane, and by all accounts, it's pretty good.

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/14/2008 3:10:34 AM   
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Bill,

Scale Plans and Photo Services sells the Pepino Plans and is run by Ann Pepino.

Yes, the cowl looks a little short and stubby with short, paired rocker bumps (ala UMF) but as Ken can attest, we saw many variations of cowls on the UPFs at the AWC Fly In last year. With out a photo of the real N99Y, the cowl may be correct. NC 14041 in the NWC photo album does have a similar cowl.

What you say is true, this particular plane (N99Y) is cowled as a UMF and is not an YMF no matter what the author or builder says. They may be mislead by the info printed on the plans.

The photos of the model do make it look good though although it does have a nine cylinder dummy engine.

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RE: WACO YMF - 5/14/2008 4:46:33 AM   
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If you can find one, the Cox YMF/UMF ARF does fly well, I have the 1/5 scale, but if you're a scale purist it needs attention. I hear noises that the 1/5 scale is not available, but the 1/6 is.
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I have a freind that works at Cox and was part of the team that helped make the Pica based ARFs available. According to him, the Wacos are all out of stock (both sizes) and the future availabilty is uncertain.....

The ARF Cox Pica models do show up on Ebay and for sale here on R/C universe from time to time.


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RE: WACO YMF - 5/14/2008 11:01:46 AM   
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Bill,

Scale Plans and Photo Services sells the Pepino Plans and is run by Ann Pepino.

Yes, the cowl looks a little short and stubby with short, paired rocker bumps (ala UMF) but as Ken can attest, we saw many variations of cowls on the UPFs at the AWC Fly In last year. With out a photo of the real N99Y, the cowl may be correct. NC 14041 in the NWC photo album does have a similar cowl.

What you say is true, this particular plane (N99Y) is cowled as a UMF and is not an YMF no matter what the author or builder says. They may be mislead by the info printed on the plans.

The photos of the model do make it look good though although it does have a nine cylinder dummy engine.


John,

Did you happen to notice the wing tip treatment? Why is that so hard for everyone to get right? One that I judged at top gun this year (and last year) had incorrect (per their documentation) wing tip cross sections. You can't go by what you know to be correct or not, but whether or not the model follows the documentation provided. Yes, you are correct. The model cowl might follow the correct profile based on the full scale (N99Y) but I seriously doubt it. I've never seen a YMF/UMF that used an engine mounting frame that would be that short. Most, if not all of these variants used a cowl that was significantly longer front to back than this one shows. Might be the angle of the photo shot, but I don't think so.

Did you notice the reference to the model being, "Scratch built"? What's with that? It was built from plans that were purchased. Some folks are a little free with that term these days. I see it a lot here on the RCUniverse too. Pretty soon, they will probably be calling kit building scratch building as well.

Did you see where Dick Watz is going to do a feature on the Waco Brotherhood in the July issue? Dang, we might even hit 100 members once that happens. Goes to show.......Everyone loves a Waco.
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