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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 3:02:14 AM   
germrb



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I was a Navy "white hat" (ATN2), so "Don't call me Sir, I work for a living" was the standard retort. I'm sure the Master Chief has used that one before. And you're forgiven for choosing the AF.

I don't know what your experience is with NiMH, but personally I'm not a fan. I have a friend who almost set his van on fire charging his new JR 2.4 transmitter. He didn't realize that the new transmitter battery had a NiMH battery. He had his charger set for NiCd. NiMH are really easily damaged by overcharging and even done properly, they take forever. I've thrown away several NiMH batteries. To me, the minor weight savings was never worth the hassle. Lith Ion technology has come a long way recently and today's NiCds are rock solid. But hey, that's just one guy's bias.

I'm a big fan of Hitec servos. My WACO uses HG645s on all the control surfaces, except the rudder. I also use them in my IMAC airplanes. By the way, my WACO also has 2100 mAh ignition battery with its own regulator. (On board total = 10700 mAh) I can fly for 3 or 4 days without recharging.

Bob
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 3:55:06 AM   
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Ken,

I was a Navy "white hat" (ATN2), so "Don't call me Sir, I work for a living" was the standard retort. I'm sure the Master Chief has used that one before. And you're forgiven for choosing the AF.

I don't know what your experience is with NiMH, but personally I'm not a fan.

Bob
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I'm getting seriously outnumbered here, I think (The Master Chief might say here that it only takes one sailor to outnumber any amount of AF pukes ) I wanted medivac, was too old for the Navy at the time (their age limit was lower than the AF when I finally decided to do something useful at age 32) and I really didn't care for heli's that much.

Your statement about NiMH sort of woke up a lingering feeling I've had for a while. I have flown mostly smaller planes over the first few years I've been in the hobby, and the weight saving was worth it for the smaller .40 and .60 size planes, and I liked the time I could go between charges on a NiMH Tx battery, since the choice of high capacity packs was limited in NiCd for Tx's. But I have gotten tired of charging a pack the day before going to the field, and finding the next day that I should really top it off again due to the greater self-discharge rate. But, as you say, on a 25 pound plane, what's 4 or 5 ounces of battery weight for equivalent capacity packs?

I haven't ordered my packs for the L-19 yet, still not comfortable with the Lipos, but will probably revisit NiCd's.


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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 9:45:47 AM   
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Mr. Hodges (I assume you prefer the more formal approach)




Oh, hell no. "Mister" is what the Navy says to each other when they can't spell 'moron' (dig at Bill, I'm sure to get a good one back)

"Sir" is what I got pointed at me when I was in the AF, but I kept looking around, trying to figure out where my Dad was, that's who I always thought of as 'sir'. I'm just Ken, or HEY, YOU !!

What you said about the Smart Fly & company is what I wanted to hear. I wanted to take all the steps necessary to keep from losing this build-in-progress to an avoidable electrical shortcoming. I'm going with NiMH 6V, two 2000mAh or better. All my servos (except throttle) are 645MG Hitecs. You sure gave yourself a margin with 8600mAh. Think it's enough

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Ken,

Mister is what the Navy calls it's Warrant Officers, and any other useless Officer grade below Full Commander (O-1 through O-4), you know, the Officer grades (in all branches) who couldn't pour PP out of a boot with instructions written on the heel. Enlisted personell are called by their last names until they reach the E-7 level, and then they are referred to as Chief. Calling someone Master Chief was not done until after I retired. I think it came about from the Movies, or maybe it was started by the Surface Skimmers, or the Airdales. In the Air Force, you didn't refer to anyone as Technical Sergeant, or Staff Sergeant, you just called them Sergeant didn't you? The Chief thing is kind of the same way. With you Officer types, you have to indicate the grade, otherwise they start thinking that they are something special. Officers get saluted so that the Op-For will know whom to target.

Note: I actually thought about enlisting in the Air Farce....Force, but I passed the GCT/ARI, Plus my parents were married as well, so the USA&F wasn't an option. Your turn Air Scout....

Bill, AMA 4720
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 2:05:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		YEAH!! Stick it to the Air Cor Weiners, rejected Army Air Pilots that wanted to have there own identity and become the Air FARCE......FORCE just couldn't help it,, I just had to back the Master Chief!!! Sailors stick together

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 2:18:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am using NIMH batteries in my Cub and and had no issues with them, I have a 2300ma pack in the plane. I always top off the battery at the field with a quick charger and again after an hour of flying. The extra weight of the NiCD batteries wouldn't have been much of an issue but the plane balances perfectly with no added weight and the battery pack under the fuel tank.
I plan on using NIMH batteries in my Waco as well, the one thing I really like about NIMH batteries is they do not have a memory and they don't need to be cycled like NiCD's.
That is just my experience with them, never had an issue and they work better for me than NiCD's.
Later!!
Anthony

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 2:21:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just an observation here but doesn't the Marines always go in first, sure the Navy gives them a ride but they go in and do the dirty work that the Navy and AirForce guys don't want any part of Just an observation mind you
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 3:11:40 PM   
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Just an observation here but doesn't the Marines always go in first, sure the Navy gives them a ride but they go in and do the dirty work that the Navy and AirForce guys don't want any part of Just an observation mind you
Anthony


The Navy plays it smart!! Granted the Marines are the so called sister side of the Navy, but for somebody that thinks that life is all about grunting and yelling semper Fi and continuosly calls the Navy a Taxi service Well then I was more than glad to hull them around kick them off the ship and if there where any surviors well then I guess they deserved a taxi service back!! It was always fun to kick back and tell them that we would be thinking of them while were sitting out here floating around and enjoying are three hots and a cot while there out there pounding the dirt!!!


As far as the AirForce back in the late seventies when I Joined the Navy I was always told the AirForce was the pampered branch of the services, and in boot camp they was all issued PANTY HOES as a part of there service uniform. HEH HEH

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 3:23:39 PM   
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Boy! It doesn't take much to get you guys stired up. Didn't mean to start another interservice war. My old man spent 30 years in the Air Force, so you can imagine how much crap I got for joining the Navy. You know the difference between sailors and jarheads? The sailors are smart enough to stay on the boat. (That's for Anthony)

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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 3:41:25 PM   
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In this hobby there are two things for which 10 guys will give you 12 opinions; batteries and engine oil. There are always two guys who can't decide what they think. There is a reason why NiMH are still on the market. They work. Five years ago, NiMH was a great option particularly for weight sensitive aircraft. However, today's Nicd are considerably better then they used to be and most don't produce "memories" the way the old ones did. And Lithium technology has come a long way, baby! They are lighter, more dependable, and safer (if you haven't got your brains in your shorts) then they were just a few years ago. Keep in mind, there's a reason why NiCd and Lithium batteries out sell NiMh by 6:1.

There you have it. Opinion #13 (Remember, opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one and they usually stink!)

Bob
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RE: WACO YMF - 7/17/2008 4:15:02 PM