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RE: WACO YMF - 8/14/2006 8:39:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Enjoy the build bull, we all have our trigger statements....

I'm always amazed at how emotionally charged ARF users are, it's almost like they feel a need to defend their choice not to build.

Personally, I can admit to owning an ARF (Kyosho Pitts) but, I just don't see the attraction. I just can't seem to find pleasure in enjoying someone else's build, especially if it's flawed (too often the case). What's more, they just don't seem to have any soul, kind of like store-bought cookies compared to Grandma's home made cookies, simply no comparison.

What's worse, many are an accident waiting to happen, not only through bad design/build but more due to substandard hardware of late....

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/14/2006 8:44:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sullivan does make Flex tanks that can be formed with a heat gun but they are not GAS proof you need to use nitro. For those interested... Check out the new lighter 26cc gas engine by Birelli and BCMA they have tons of power and will fly this size plane scale... They are very light weight... and smalll in sz. Noise level is about the same as a large nitro.

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/14/2006 9:08:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also take offense to your statement I love to build them just as much as I like to fly them.Nothing gives me more pleasure than fly a new airplane and hardly have to trim it.The ultimate I built this winter required three clicks down elevator to trim perfectly.I also raised 3 children gave them all the education they wanted,restored a 1965 ford mustang for my wife a 1957 chevy,1975Corvette,1977 fiat spyder .And still managed to work 50 hours a week at a real job.The thing I like most about guys who buy arfs is when they ding they give them to me because they dont know how to fix them because they never built one. I never belittle a person for buying and flying arfs its just not me and yes I am a dying breed but how dare you pass judgement on me.To use a phrase my father made to me many years ago"theres no such thing as I dont have the time,if you want to you will make time". have a nice day.Chris

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/14/2006 9:13:11 PM   
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Sullivan does make Flex tanks that can be formed with a heat gun but they are not GAS proof you need to use nitro. For those interested... Check out the new lighter 26cc gas engine by Birelli and BCMA they have tons of power and will fly this size plane scale... They are very light weight... and smalll in sz. Noise level is about the same as a large nitro.


Yes, Bull, we all have our hot buttons. Mine happens to be when someone wants to compare an offshore built ARF to a hand crafted scale model. True, it takes me at least a year to complete one of my WACO's (and I say mine, due to all the modifications that I have learned are necessary in order to make the PICA fifth scale kit into a viable model). My models are not cookie cutter flying machines, but each one has a true personality. I power all of my WACO's with the OS FT160 twin. No part of the engine protrudes from the cowl except the two exhaust outlets and one small hole for the needle valve extension. I have yet to see a gasser that did not require an ugly cut on the cowl. If you have found one then more power to you. It's still hard to beat the sound of a twin four stroke pulling a load.

I still stand by my statement regarding the ARFing of this kit. I think that COX has done a grave injustice to the history of this fine kit. Now anyone with the bucks can have one of these, and yes, in my view that does cheapen the value of the ownership of this model airplane. Sorry pal, I just can't get all that wound up over owning a model that someone else has make. I tried one ARF, and sold it as soon as I had done the trim flight on it. I sold it complete with engine and radio gear. It was the H-9 P-47 with an OS 91 and JR 8103 system. I just couldn't get that excited over it.

I will continue to spend the extra time required to build my WACO's (I have enough kits stashed to last me the rest of my life) Ans as to my wife being supportive and understanding, the WACO that I am currently building is for her. Yep, it will be her airplane. She does not build, but she flys just fine.

Bill, AMA 4720

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/14/2006 9:18:20 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 8/14/2006 11:18:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		For more info on the BCMA 26cc it's the eqivalent in power to a stong 120 FS or 150 SAITO. Weighs 36oz including muffler. SZ from bottom of crank where the bolts go through to bolt to the firewall to the top of spark plug is 5 5/8". Easier yet here is the web page with dementions if interested... It's small and gas has a nice sound to it too... Just for those looking for something different.

http://www.bcmaengines.com
http://www.brillelli.com/brillelli_003.htm

Both have great customer service.

Like I said I came to this site to see what was going on with one of my fav kits the PICA WACO... I'll continue to fly and build kit's and ARFs. They both have their place and qualitys. Yes, I fix my own when they get nicked up.

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/15/2006 2:19:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok Bull, I don't think anyone is attacking/defending anymore.

Good info, it doesn't look like it would be too difficult to modify the nose of the Waco to hide one of those behind a dummy engine, nice idea, how does tha balance work out with this setup? I know my 1/6 came out with no need for lead in the nose running an OS .90 (surprised me all to he double hockeysticks). My 1/5 will be sporting my old faithful OS 120 from my fuel-soaked, retired Taylorcraft, I hope I get as lucky with the CG but I doubt it even though I tried to keep the weight down in the empenange (lightening holes etc.).

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/15/2006 2:45:27 AM   
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Ok Bull, I don't think anyone is attacking/defending anymore.

Good info, it doesn't look like it would be too difficult to modify the nose of the Waco to hide one of those behind a dummy engine, nice idea, how does tha balance work out with this setup? I know my 1/6 came out with no need for lead in the nose running an OS .90 (surprised me all to he double hockeysticks). My 1/5 will be sporting my old faithful OS 120 from my fuel-soaked, retired Taylorcraft, I hope I get as lucky with the CG but I doubt it even though I tried to keep the weight down in the empenange (lightening holes etc.).



The gasser I was talking about weighs 35 / 36 oz. An os 120 weighs right around 33.5oz with stock muffler so the difference is around 2.5oz. My best friend has a saito 180 on his and it balanced out fine and weighs about the same as an OS 120. Difference is cost of fuel... His saito call for 20 /20 and at $25 a gallon vs $3 it's quite a difference. Things you can do with gas is move the tank back on the CG unlike standard nitro you need the tank on the level with the carb which usually means mounting it up to the nose in the center of the firewall in front of the CG... thus making the plane nose heavy when full... 14oz of gas with a 25cc will run for close to 20 -30 min... Nitro you will be thinking of bringing it down after 8-10 min


I don't think you will be too bad with the OS 120 on the nose it weighs close to the same as the saito 180. You might have to add a little lead. My friend over built his a little and came out heavy, but still flys and lands like it's on pillows. He has done some mods to it since this photo...

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/15/2006 2:44:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice pics, we need more biplanes at the fields.

Yeah, I run gas (Syclone 38) in my Tigermoth, I'm aware of the economy, I just can't get the sweet sound of four strokes out of my head. I have this image of my last Waco put-putting over the threshold with little puffs of smoke curling out the back.

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RE: WACO YMF - 8/16/2006 12:16:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bull you make allot of statements about kit builders in that blog I have scratch built and kit built.I love royal kits they are second to none,and quite frankly I dont think there are many modlers left that can get one together right.I never saw much difference in a kit or scratch built about 1 weeks time if that.I copied a duelist from a friend of mine and finished it 6 months before he did.Also i dont use iron on coverings silkspan on planking silk on framework dope or automotive finishes.My royal P51 is 28 years old and still ticking I am in the process of refinishing it right now its in primer.I did it way back then as cripes a mighty 3rd.Now they are everywhere but thats ok because all those nitwit arfers dont realize the name goes on the left side only.Keep flying your plastic bags,Ill build mine,hope the 1/2 ounce of glue holds Chris

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