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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 4:06 PM   
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Its is an interesting subject, the Waco YMF and its resurrection in 1986. There have been more YMFs built since then then there were built in the 1930s (18 UMFs and 18 YMFs).

The whole Waco story and the different models they made. I am fortunate to live in the St louis area where the American Waco Club has their annual Fly In every year in June at Creve Coeur Airport. CCA is also home to the Historic Aircraft Restoration Museum (HARM) which has about 70 aircraft in the collection (most of which fly) including about 10 different Wacos.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 4:11 PM   
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How about some pictures and an update on your 40% AMR Waco.
Is that Moki 400 ready for an overhaul yet?

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 5:50 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 6:20 PM   
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We sure are getting a lot of new Brothers. I wonder if this is a good time to talk about a third generation batch of T shirts. Just can’t have enough.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 6:28 PM   
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Hello all,

We sure are getting a lot of new Brothers. I wonder if this is a good time to talk about a third generation batch of T shirts. Just can’t have enough.


Holler at Mitch

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 7:22 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 7:26 PM   
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Hey Mogman,
How about some pictures and an update on your 40% AMR Waco.
Is that Moki 400 ready for an overhaul yet?



Ok guys, here is what's happening. I keep forgetting to take pictures. The wings are built, need final shaping and sanding, fin and rudder built,final sanding req'd., stabs and elevators built, deciding how to hinge them today.

I found quite a bit of the kit/instructions vague and not enough information. But, thanks to John's DVD it all starts to make sense(I think!) For example, I am now looking to see what the actual shape of the elevator tip at the hinge plate is.

If AMR had included a few more drawings...a lot of the drawings make reference to the 33%, but the supplied parts for the 40% are different. I now have a bald(er) patch on my head from scratching it, trying to decipher some things. As this plane is not being built for "scale" competition, it will be what it is....built to fly and enjoy it.

I made up a jig/tool to make the corregated aluminum sheeting for the aileron...actually looks pretty good if I do say so myself. Took about 10 mins. to produce a sheet. Bonded to the aileron with contact cement.

Question...I would like to use ail. servos on the bottom wing only and drive the top ail. with the ail link rod. Given the size of the ailerons...28 x 6 ins, does that sound feasable?

Moki 400 is back in it's box for now, no more running....can't wait...that sound!!!!!!

I will see if I can figure out how to post pictures, I'm generally hopelessly lost with computers. I can't even remember how to get from the camera to the computer.....because I do very little of that sort of thing, plus the memory is not what is once was!!

Cheers, for now,
Dave.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 8:30 PM   
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You have made good progress on your Waco. The L/E of the elevators should be round at the hinge line. I used Robart hinges on my 33% and they worked out just fine. Not sure if they are strong enough for the 40% but I would think so.

You could/can drive the aileron's from the bottom wing only but you will need one whopper of a servo to power two of those massive aileron's. I took the easy way out and put one on each of my aileron's on my 33%. I did only use one on each side on my 25% Waco and the slave rod is activating the top aileron. I have not flown that config yet.

If you run into any issues just drop Dany at AMR an e-mail, he was always very helpful with my build.
Later!!
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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 8:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hitec M7990TH and the M7980TH coreless titanium gear servos put out 500 OZ/IN of torque at 6.V. That should be enough to pull an aircraft carrier.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 9:29 PM   
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Hi Dave,


If you run into any issues just drop Dany at AMR an e-mail, he was always very helpful with my build.
Later!!
Anthony


I have talked to Dany a couple of times, once to get some missing parts and again to enquire about some picture CD's and building DVD's, other than the wing construction DVD, that were mentioned in the building manual....."refer to DVD and picture CD". These apparantly do not exist! They have always been very quick to reply to e-mails, even on a Sunday!

I use Du-Bro heavy duty flat hinges and use a piece of .047 music wire full length. Used the same set up on my 1/2 scale S/Walker...no loose hinges after 7 years.

So far it's been a great kit, good parts fit andnice wood.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/13/2011 10:19 PM   
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I have tons of pics of my 33% build so if there is something you need drop me a PM and I will see if I can help you out. One thing you can't complain about is the quality of the wood and customer service.
Enjoy the build!!
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RE: WACO YMF - 2/14/2011 12:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		To everyone who wants new Brotherhood T-shirts. I must have orders for 75 or more shirts IN HAND before I can place the order. I know it's a PIA but you need to snailmail a request to me. When I get enough orders I'll then ask for another snailmail with payment. I suspect they'll be $15 each plus postage.
Snailmail your requests to Mitch Epstein
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At this time I've got requests from Bob Faetsch, Bob Kjellberg,Dave Willaimson and Andy Sulkowski. WE NEED 75 TO MAKE A PRINT RUN. Mitch

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/14/2011 1:01 PM   
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Are you thinking of a different color.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/14/2011 3:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let me step in here. We (Mitch and I) will discuss what color we will have for the 3rd Generation of shirts. The first run was Tan, second was Maroon. The problem is with the art. It would be pretty easy to come up with a color of shirt that would hide the art. We don't want to do that.

Mitch, put me down for a couple of Larges too.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/14/2011 4:56 PM   
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As the oil also collects in the lower cylinders, you will see the pilot turning the prop by hand for a few revolutions to re-distribute the oil throughout the engine and prevent hydraulic lock.


John and all,

The pilot is not attempting to "re-distribute" the oil when turning the prop by hand before starting the radial engine. There is no way to "re-distribute" oil that has collected in the lower cylinders of the engine. Turning the prop is done just to make sure that the amount of oil that's collected in the engine is not enough to cause a "hydraulic lock", which is when there is so much oil in the cylinder that the combustion chamber is completely full. Since oil is not compressible "hydraulic lock" will cause mechanical damage to the engine, usually in the form of a bent link rod. This damage will result in catastrophic engine failure at some point in the future. Not a good thing.

So, when the pilot pulls the engine through he/she will instantly know if there is hydraulic lock when the engine stops against a "hard" stop, that being the oil that is not compressible in the cylinder. You cannot "fix" hydraulic lock by turning the prop. You can only detect it. The only remedy for hydraulic lock is to pull the lower spark plugs and drain the oil out.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/14/2011 5:25 PM   
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Thanks for the clarification, I was just repeating what I was told by a "pilot" a few years ago at an airport.


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RE: WACO YMF - 2/14/2011 10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey nineonine, could the image be placed on here in a downloadable format. That way we could have it done  ourselves, on whatever shirt,jacket, etc  we want.
Maybe have a polo and a light jacket embroidered
That would also maybe alleviate a lot of work for you.
Just a thought!

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 12:45 AM   
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Hey nineonine, could the image be placed on here in a downloadable format. That way we could have done it ourselves, on whatever shirt,jacket, etc  we want.
Maybe have a polo and a light jacket embroided.
That would also maybe alleviate a lot of work for you.
Just a thought!


No.

We will decide on what colors are offered in order to know what generation of shirt is out there. If Mitch is tired of this, then someone else can do it. we don't want just anything out there with the Waco Brotherhood logo on it. Not trying to be an anal aperture but that's how it is. Sorry if it bothers you. Its not meant to.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 1:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		And now that it's settled, I would like to suggest Navy Blue same size as last time 2 ea.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 1:50 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 5:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, I was thinking of either royal blue or navy blue too. We'll discuss in Fla in a few weeks and by then I'll be able to guage the interest. Meanwhile, everyone send your requests for shirts to Mitch Epstein 651 N. Main St. Leominster, MA. As said earlier I'd need minimum 75 pieces to make an order.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 6:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Let's come to an understanding. The Waco Brotherhood logo, and the parts templates are the intellectual property of the Waco Brotherhood. We have had several people make an attempt at turning the templates into a commercial venture. This will not be allowed. The same applies to the Logo. This Logo was designed by a commercial Art Studio, and was their property. The Studio owner gave us the logo and all the rights that go with it. If we allow a shop to use it to make something like an embroidered patch, then we lose the rights, since it would become common property. The original artwork is in the hands of Jay Stone (damifino) WB#25. Jay not only worked closely with the Art Studio to get the logo designed, he also did the work on the cowl plug that enables us to have a correct YMF cowling.

I don't want to be a horse's patootie, but that is how its going to be. If someone wants to get a shop to quote bids on doing something like this, then we will consider doing it as a Brotherhood project, but we will retain all the rights to the logo. Just please, no wildcat stuff.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 7:09 AM   
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Bill, I was thinking of either royal blue or navy blue too. We'll discuss in Fla in a few weeks and by then I'll be able to guage the interest. Meanwhile, everyone send your requests for shirts to Mitch Epstein 651 N. Main St. Leominster, MA. As said earlier I'd need minimum 75 pieces to make an order.


How much do the shirts usually sell for. I would probably be interested in getting one.

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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 12:22 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 2/15/2011 1:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Smart money is to order at least 2 shirts. Shipping is about the same for 2 as it is for 1, plus if you go to a 2 day event, people aren't moving away from you all the time on the second day, and no one is paying too much attention to where the windsock is pointing, so that they can stay upwind of you.

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