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RE: WACO YMF - 6/22/2011 4:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Robert, thanks for the welcome. I will definately enjoy the build. I hope its as challenging as everyone has said it will be. I really haven't had that much sucess with plans from the AMA plans service. Most of them that I have ordered were disappointing, John suggested the 1/5 scale WACO YMF. that sounds pretty good for me. The fiberglass parts can be obtained from 2 places I'm very used to buying from. I appreciate all your help from the forum. If I get stuck I know I can get the help I need to be sucessful. Thanks again George

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/22/2011 10:45 AM   
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Per Greg Hahn-AMA. Design build is drawing your own plans. Scratch/plan build is building from comercial plans. And all fell under scratch build until 2010 when a particular fella didn't want to compete together because he drew his own plans and didn't feel he should have to compete with those that didn't.





Yeah, but per Greg Hahn, most of us are just Bottom Feeders. Remember that one? Greg is a good friend of mine, but you need to remember that he pretty much builds from enlarged plans. I have to say that anything that he says concerning this is suspect. Let's get this thread back on track please.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/22/2011 3:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		George, sorry if this has been said before, but when you order your plans from AMA, be sure to tell them you want the templates, as well. It is my understanding that they will not automatically include the templates with the plans set. Templates were drawn by Bill (Stickbuilder) from one of his kits.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 2:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		rccrasher65, Your welcome.
Well nobody is posting any build so I will. The way I had the flair on the landing gear  was not working, cracking at the end's.
So this what I'm doing now. I think it will look better and will be closer to scale. And my wheel pant's came in today. Dan told me they needed to be modified, narrowed by a quarterof an inch.
And by photo's I agree. So.  Pic's of it all
#1 What the flair was before, balsa and filler.
#2 Where I'm at now. Tomorrow I will glass over and then take the glass off  and peel all the filler/mold off and attach the glass by way of screw's like the full size. Will it work, don't know yet.
#3 The tool I'm going to use to cut 1/4" out of wheel pant's. This way one cut = both cut's evenly, hopefully.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 3:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Robert, I will be interested in how your flairs work out once you have them in fiberglass. I have mine carved from balsa, and split at the rear for mounting. My plan was to glue them to the landing gear, but leave a small bit of clearance, (card stock thick) between the flair and the fuselage, to let the gear flex.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 3:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jim, That's sound's like what I had before. And with just the movement while working on it 2 day's ago I noticed small cracks in ( for lack of a better word ) the corner's.
If all goes well, tomorrow afternoon I should have one side made. Will post as soon as done.


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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 3:46 AM   
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Are you considering making a mold for the left and right side fillets? These could be quite popular... :^)
You could possibly earn back against your misery. Utilizing Bob Smith's Gel CA or Flex (rubber infused)
CA would provide more strength. They are less brittle than either indo or exo thermic resins.

Our WHD fillet molds were lost along with the cowl and pants. Something that will have to be redone
before people will want the plansets again.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 4:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually Ed, what you see wrapped around the gear is a type of rubber. Once it's set I can remove it in one piece. And at a point in the curring one take's one finger wet with water and buff's the surface out. Finish should be smooth as glass. So I could use this as a mold. If previous experience serves me, as long as one uses a release agent, it will last forever.
Short answer, That stuff is a mold.
If it turn's out good enough, I would be happy to make them for my fellow brother's.


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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 4:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Almost like a cosmetic prosthetic material. I have a friend who owns a prosthetics business. Is it latex or RTV based? That would make
for an excellent boot material for my CASA-2111e (Spanish He-111e) gear. The springs have a rubberized boot over them. That could
be more durable than rubber glove fingers. Look forward to seeing them after they cure and see if they meet the durability requirement.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 4:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jim I'll make sure I do that. I'm going to order them next week.Thanks for the reminder, George

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 1:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: back on track please. Bill, Waco Brother #1



Bill,

Did you receive the email I sent yesterday? Network Solutions was challenged Monday and again yesterday by international attacks
so some email traffic flat fell off the planet.



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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 6:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: back on track please. Bill, Waco Brother #1



Bill,

Did you receive the email I sent yesterday? Network Solutions was challenged Monday and again yesterday by international attacks
so some email traffic flat fell off the planet.




No, I did not get an email from you yesterday. Don't know why, I got tons of them from others.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 7:07 PM   
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I'll go ahead and post the question here...



Is there any interest in the WACO Brotherhood conducting a national WACO exclusive or WACO & Stearman Exclusive Fly-in at Bomber Field in Houston?
Our facilities include 10 pilot stations, complete kitchen, motor home hook-ups, electricity, covered pit building, hangar for locking aircraft safely at night
and plenty of open Texas sky. We hosted the IMAA Ralley Of Giants last year some photos appear below.





Our parallel grass runway was being leveled and the sprinkler system was being added when this aerial photo was taken. The grass runway is nice and
green, along with all our infield, pit grounds and ground level spectator viewing thanks to water wells... Wish the surrounding property was the same
amidst our drought. Grass runway is 1100 ft, paved runway is 775 ft x 50 ft.



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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 7:44 PM   
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Another Saffa here.  Just took delivery of 33% AMR Waco.  Will be putting a 150 Moki in it.  Not sure if you got my private message.
I contacted Peter Barth asking about his 33% and how I could get it to SA.  He actually said I should contact you and gave me your number.  

Whereabouts are your flying?

Kind Regards,

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 8:00 PM   
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Another South African here asking to be a brother.

Just took delivery of a 33% AMR Waco and have loved every bit of advice offered in this group.

Thanks from a father and son duo,

Jason and Ken Mansfield 

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 9:11 PM   
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Is there any interest in the WACO Brotherhood conducting a national WACO exclusive or WACO & Stearman Exclusive Fly-in at Bomber Field]

Absolutely I'm in, But I don't have too far to drive so my opinion is biased.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 9:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Robert are 1/4 scale WACO plans avaliable any where? What do you suggest in this size plane. Thanks george

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 9:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		George , That's a question better answered by Bill-stickbuilder.
But I do believe there is one close if not 1/4. I think 23% or 27%. Jump in here Bill.


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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 9:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: skylarkmk1 Dave, The dimensions (taken from the 1/5 Pica plans) of the rudder trim tab are; Top – 5/8” Bottom – 5/16” Height – 2” Location – 4-3/8” up from the bottom of the rudder along the hinge line to a line at right angles to the hinge to the bottom of the tab



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What 1/4 scale planset do you have?

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 9:28 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 6/23/2011 11:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another question, if I may....

Was the fabric on the fin stitched? (YMF 5) It's very hard to tell on the photos I've seen. Some look as if there is no stitcing, others, I'm not too sure.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/24/2011 12:26 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 6/24/2011 1:36 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 6/24/2011 3:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok gents, this is the right gear flair. Not quite done yet. Have two more layer's of glass to add to stiffen it up a little.Then  trim and sand.

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RE: WACO YMF - 6/24/2011 3:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: acerc Ok gents, this is the right gear flair. Not quite done yet. Have two more layer's of glass to add to stiffen it up a
little.Then  trim and sand.


Robert:

Is this rubberized fillet base expected to provide a mroe flexible...compliant interface with other surfaces like the cabanes, struts, and
landing gear fillet?


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