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RE: WACO YMF - 11/10/2012 9:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow! TWO sets! Still anxiously awaiting mine! Hopefully Tuesday!

I'd be interested if you form cut a plate to mount them on, maybe getting your ideas or template, unless it is totally obvious...Hope to be starting my Waco in a few weeks if all goes well (gotta clean the shop )

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The new landing gear arrived today Jim had made they are really nice should hold up to even my landings.
Jim do you have any pictures of how you mounted the gear?




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RE: WACO YMF - 11/10/2012 10:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Bill, that will be handy when I get time to start mine...All the references where to find stuff comes in handy...the "catalog " on page one helps, but I always seem to miss finding something I know I saw!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/11/2012 3:05 PM   
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Thanks Bill, that will be handy when I get time to start mine...All the references where to find stuff comes in handy...the ''catalog '' on page one helps, but I always seem to miss finding something I know I saw!

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George



Ken has not had the time to update the index for some time now. Maybe he will be up to it soon.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/11/2012 3:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hope no one thought me complaining! I use the index when I can, and use the search when I can...problem is, my search lingo doesn't always bring up what I'm looking for...so I wind up paging through and re-reading stuff...but I actually learn more that way I think!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 11:19 AM   
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Hope no one thought me complaining! I use the index when I can, and use the search when I can...problem is, my search lingo doesn't always bring up what I'm looking for...so I wind up paging through and re-reading stuff...but I actually learn more that way I think!

Thanks again!

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No, no one is complaining. I wish that he had the time to do it as well. I often must look through several pages in order to find what I'm looking for. I do know about what time frame I'm looking into, but it still takes hours to find it.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 4:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		On a different note, anyone ever found a good epoxy (maybe something like Hysol) that will bond aluminum to wood? Needs to be really strong, and fairly light.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 5:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill - I remember reading an article about using epoxy to join aluminum, and it's not the type of epoxy but the surface preparation that matters most. I'll see if I can find it and pass the info along


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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 6:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd appreciate that. I have to fasten a couple of wing joiners (1/8 X 3/4) that are about 22 inches long into the front spar area and the rear spar area of the wings for the Ryan. I doubt if they would ever pull out, but I wanna be dang sure that they don't. These plug into the fuse and the aluminum C channel attachment and are bolted down when the plane is assembled for flight. I used bolts and Hysol on the fiberglass fuse and wing/gear former. I don't think that this is ever going to fail.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 6:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Couldn't get a clean scan, so i just copied the info. It's an old article, probably about late 80's, but it does mention Devcon, so it can't be that ancient . The article deals with aluminum to aluminum, so aluminum to wood might be easier.

“Many modelers have tried to epoxy aluminum with little or no success. The big secret in getting a good glue joint lies in the proper preparation of the surfaces. The following procedure will prepare the joint area for good adhesion. Wash the joint area in solvent or thinner and air dry. Do not allow anything to touch the areas to be joined (especially fingers!). Now immerse the areas to be joined for 10 minutes in a solution containing 10 parts by weight of sulfuric acid, 1 part sodium dichromate and 30 parts distilled water, at 125 to 155 degrees Fahrenheit. Wash the solution off with distilled water and air dry. Your favorite epoxy can now be used to glue the joints”



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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 6:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, Jerry Nelson had some epoxy for alum. I don't know if the people that bought his buiness still sells it.. You might try them

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 7:09 PM   
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Bill - I remember reading an article about using epoxy to join aluminum, and it's not the type of epoxy but the surface preparation that matters most. I'll see if I can find it and pass the info along



Prep is important I found that drilling several holes along the edge and tapering them on both sides allows the epoxy to form a plastic rivit and a sronger bond. just a thought maybe it would help!!

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/12/2012 7:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks to all. By the way, I've been using Devcon since the early 60's.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/13/2012 1:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill,
I used 15 minute epoxy to bond the wood fairings to my 1/3 Waco gear. I scuffed up the aluminum with 150 paper and cleaned with alcohol. The bond was good and it is one of the few items up front on my Waco that didn't suffer any damage. All the wood to aluminum joints held well.
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/13/2012 11:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I sanded mine, and used 1 hour epoxy. There is no stress on the fittings other than the shear load of the wings, and this is mitigated by the flying wires, and on landing, the landing wires. There are 2 of the bars on each wing and they measure 1/8" X 3/4" and they are over 20" long and extend all the way to the 6th rib. That means the wing is fully supported out through the 5th bay. Should be plenty strong.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/13/2012 1:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill, i have been using this stuff called MetlWeld, its thick and it stinks but it sure is strong www.systemthree.com i believe is their web site. Its kind of like the stuff the snips in the navy used to repair cracks I think the called that stuff Belzonea it becomes like the surface and it does bond to wood well, also grindable and sandable.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/13/2012 1:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nine o Nine, Mitch, I just wanted to take a moment to hope you and yours were not to severely upset by "Sandy" I know parts of R.I. were badly hit wasn't sure exactly where you were in relation to the coast. Hope all is well, take care and hope to see you at Top Gun next year.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/13/2012 5:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the thoughts CJ. We were fortunate to have only a couple of days with no power. My 2 stepkids family's, one Long Island and one In Westchester County NY lost power for more than a week. An in law family still has no power and a beachfront apartment building in which they own a condo has no power and my have to come down due to the damage up to the third floor. Our family suffered no real tragedies as have others though.
Again, thanks for asking. Mitch

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/13/2012 5:52 PM   
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The project I have started this month. I plan to make my Waco entirely from composite materials. I'm doing a model which later I'll get the negative forms ... The model has a scale of 1:3.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/14/2012 12:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		VOX, nice work a few questions if i may. is she a kit or from plans, you say composit what type of materials. it looks like everything is interlocking, how much time is invested so far. thanks,

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/14/2012 3:57 PM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/14/2012 11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if anyone is aware that there is a WACO YMF-5 sim for MS FSX (Microsoft Flight Simulator X) It can be found on flightsim.com. It costs $20 to download. I haven't downloaded it yet but I did view the review. It looks very scale detailed. So if anyone has MS FSX try it.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/15/2012 7:43 AM   
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VOX, nice work a few questions if i may. is she a kit or from plans, you say composit what type of materials. it looks like everything is interlocking, how much time is invested so far. thanks,

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Hello Chris,
Work with the project lasts about a month. It is a fully independent work. At first I was planning to make a set of lightweight balsa and plywood. But then I decided to make a model of a fully composite. This will make them more technologically advanced production for me. I work with materials German company R & G. Model will be made ​​on a "sandwich" that ensures greater strength and light weight. As a filler, I will use the material Herex. Model weight is about 16 kg.

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/15/2012 7:55 AM   
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RE: WACO YMF - 11/15/2012 11:50 AM   
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VOX, nice work a few questions if i may. is she a kit or from plans, you say composit what type of materials. it looks like everything is interlocking, how much time is invested so far. thanks,

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Hello Chris,
Work with the project lasts about a month. It is a fully independent work. At first I was planning to make a set of lightweight balsa and plywood. But then I decided to make a model of a fully composite. This will make them more technologically advanced production for me. I work with materials German company R & G. Model will be made ​​on a ''sandwich'' that ensures greater strength and light weight. As a filler, I will use the material Herex. Model weight is about 16 kg.

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Albert,

16kg for a third scale model? Wow! Please keep us posted as this build progresses. This opens up a new dimension in building (for me anyway). Congratulations on taking on this project. Wanna be a Brother?

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RE: WACO YMF - 11/15/2012 1:01 PM   
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Thank you for your interest in my work. This project - my dream! I love this plane. It will be my great honor to become a brother. I accept your offer.
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