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Rc Fuel Faq - 7/9/2003 9:42:34 AM   
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Folks,
This FAQ thread has not seen much activity in a couple months.

How about a few questions from some of our newer members or folks surfing through. Or, if you have a subject area (fuel related of course) that you would like a little further insight into, please feel free to ask.

As I mentioned in post #1, I will do my best to answer any an all of your questions with fact. I will contact other experts in the field to answer a question if necessary.

Thank you for visiting the forum.


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Rc Fuel Faq - 7/16/2003 5:12:12 AM   
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can any one help me im looking for the proper mixtures and the place to get the ingredients from, for 20% thanks shawn

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fuelman - 7/18/2003 4:49:14 AM   
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here is a question, and a possible answer to the coil in the exhaust side of the pressure tubing on cars. First the question...
I run coolpower (total synthetic), never had a problem with any engine I have ever owned, and all have great compression. I know that castor is added insurence, not to mention rust prevention. My question is this: What is the big deal about all syn. fuel? Some people will not run this fuel cause of concer about there engines. Please shed some light on this as I have never had any problems in my engines, they are very clean inside, great compression, and run great. This includes four strokes.
Now the other issue...the reason I here for the coil in the exhuast side is to help dampen pressure pulses to the carb. Cars are driven with lots of throttle action. I don't know if this is the case or not, but it's is what I have heard.

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Coolpower mixed - 7/20/2003 1:09:03 AM   
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Fuelman
Thought Id ask your opinion-
I broke my tt70(heli) in on coolpower red (30%), but want to switch to green(15%) to save money/fuel. I had about a pint of red left in a bottle with some oil additive, dumped this into a 3/4 full bottle of green. Mixed up, looks like chocolate milk in color! I closed the main needle several turns but left the idle where it was. Engine starts and idles well, comes up to speed nice, but after a minute or so in hover abruptly dies. Tried lots of variations on the needle, kept happening (about 12 times). I plan to try some pure green today. Running OS8 plug. Any suggestions? Is this fuel ruined?

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Rc Fuel Faq - 7/21/2003 8:55:42 PM   
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I am envolved in R/C combat and we are flying a new class called "SSC", or "Slow, Survivable Combat." This class uses stock .15 engines with a retail purchase price of $60 or less. The 2 most common engines being the OS LA15 and Magnum 15XL. Also of importance, we use an 8x3 prop and mandate a maximum RPM limit of 17,500 to decrease the maximum possible speed of the planes to increase survivability. Planes must weigh over 2.5lbs.

We try to get our engines as close to 17,500 without going over to get the best performance out of the planes. During the winter months with cool dry days, this limit is easy to reach, but with the summer months with heat and humity, this limit is hard to reach.

Do you have recommendations for a "summer fuel mix" and "winter fuel mix" to maximize the potential maximum RPM's with these little engines?

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Rc Fuel Faq - 7/22/2003 7:53:32 AM   
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Folks,
I just got back form a short vacation. I'll get to your questions within the next couple of days.


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Rc Fuel Faq - 7/25/2003 8:20:00 AM   
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Noahb;
First the question...
"I run coolpower (total synthetic), never had a problem with any engine I have ever owned, and all have great compression. I know that castor is added insurence, not to mention rust prevention. My question is this: What is the big deal about all syn. fuel? Some people will not run this fuel cause of concer about there engines. Please shed some light on this as I have never had any problems in my engines, they are very clean inside, great compression, and run great. This includes four strokes."

Noah-
People that have a concern regarding an all synthetic fuel in most of their engines are mainly concerned with maximizing the protection available to them. I don't think that anybody will argue the point that an all synthetic fuel will run fine and protect just adequatly in a large number of engines. One of the points about castor is maximizing protection in a large number of engines and an absolute necessity in others. Castor will do a few things better than most of the synthetics used in glow fuel out there. Castor is the best rust inhibitor that we can use in a fuel and it offers a considerable protection advantage when a lean run occurs (does'nt burn up like the majority of synthetics used). Castor oil will stick around much longer when a hot condition (lean) happens because it does not flash off like most synthetics out there. This is important in the ABC type engines that need the cushion between the piston and sleeve, not to mention non ball bearing engines that rely on a film of oil to keep the crankshaft and bushing from contacting each other.One benefit to castor (even in small amounts) that many folks do not realize is the excellent protection of the large end of the connecting rod and crank pin. It's generally not as slippery as several of the synthetics but it does have a lot of "cushion".
Very few synthetic lubricants used in glow fuel today will survive a hot run where castor will. A little bit of castor (2% to 4%) in most of todays four stroke engines will not hurt them a bit, although many folks now run total synthetic in four strokes.


"Now the other issue...the reason I here for the coil in the exhuast side is to help dampen pressure pulses to the carb. Cars are driven with lots of throttle action. I don't know if this is the case or not, but it's is what I have heard."

Noah- Not being a "Car" guy, I can only look at data that I can collect and based on the experiment that I performed outlined in a post near the begining of the thread, I can say that I saw no measurable difference. Hey, if the car folks think it helps, thats great.

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Elmo Te:

"Fuelman
Thought Id ask your opinion-
I broke my tt70(heli) in on coolpower red (30%), but want to switch to green(15%) to save money/fuel. I had about a pint of red left in a bottle with some oil additive, dumped this into a 3/4 full bottle of green. Mixed up, looks like chocolate milk in color! I closed the main needle several turns but left the idle where it was. Engine starts and idles well, comes up to speed nice, but after a minute or so in hover abruptly dies. Tried lots of variations on the needle, kept happening (about 12 times). I plan to try some pure green today. Running OS8 plug. Any suggestions? Is this fuel ruined? "

OK Elmo, you have me wondering what "oil additive" you are refering to?
Mixing CP30 and CP15 would not necessarily do any harm, but if some other foreign matter that does'nt belong, well, I don't know.
As far as the needle settings, if you were running CP30 it is going to be a richer needle setting that if you were running CP15 (if tuned correctly). Now switching to 15% will be a little leaner than the CP30, but I can't believe that it would be "several turns" leaner.
My suggestion is on the conservative side: Set the engine at the factory recommended needle settings and get a fresh gallon of the fuel of your choice. It is always better to be a little richer than optimum instead of leaner. You may want to consider putting in a new glow plug too, have no idea what your "chocholate milk" did to that too.


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Thojo:

"We try to get our engines as close to 17,500 without going over to get the best performance out of the planes. During the winter months with cool dry days, this limit is easy to reach, but with the summer months with heat and humity, this limit is hard to reach.

Do you have recommendations for a "summer fuel mix" and "winter fuel mix" to maximize the potential maximum RPM's with these little engines?"

Thojo,
The performance drop you experience is because cool dry air can pack more fuel in it than hot moist air. the hot moist air has another affect- your prop is less efficient. I have no idea what fuel or nitro percentage you're running now but you may want to play around with running a little more nitro or a little less depending on what engine and fuel your running now.
As far as anything specific, I can't offer what you probably want.

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Rc Fuel Faq - 8/1/2003 8:51:29 AM   
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for those who need to know, as far as i know all pink fuels are more castor based, all green or other colors should be all synthetic or more sythentic blend than castor

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fuel color - 8/2/2003 5:21:49 AM   
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Better re-research that one!
Pink/red is usually the high nitro, and green the low nitro. Doesnt reference oil at all. To wit: see Wildcat advert on back page of latest issue of MHT. Synthetic oil is touted on the label of BOTH colors, only nitro content differs. Same is true with Morgan/Cool Power.

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Rc Fuel Faq - 8/2/2003 8:33:37 AM   
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well i might be wrong, but here in Texas, ive seen 5%, 10, 15, nitro% in red and green, and the color for the synthetic is always green, and red/pink is always castor based(not always pure castor). but i might be wrong but i dont research that much i just go by what the pattern seems to be. and i usally see GREEN in 15 % by morgan fuels cool power which is all synthetic, and Morgan fuels omega fuel is pink is a blend,and is avilble in 5- 15% so i guess nobody really knows then

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Changes? - 8/2/2003 10:02:08 AM   
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Perhaps it changes regionaly as well as nationaly. Here in CA we see mostly CP green 15% and red 30%, both synthetic.

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Rc Fuel Faq - 8/2/2003 7:33:21 PM   
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Gentlemen:
The color of the fuel has absolutly no bearing on what the contents are since there is no standardization in the model fuel industry. Each company has its own method of doing things and colors its fuel the way it pleases.
For instance, every blend except one that we make is dyed a very light red, just enough for the heli guys to see it in the tank, the all castor blends we make are a light amber because of the castor which is its natural color and it immediatly identifies that as an all castor blend.
Bottom line is, any fuel company could dye their products any color they want for any reason and it has no indication to the contents of a different manufacture's fuels.
The best bet is to read the labels to identify the contents.


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COLOR - 8/3/2003 12:07:08 PM   
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fair enough

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Rc Fuel Faq - 8/4/2003 12:09:18 PM   
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Fuelman -
Need some help making sense of this.
I recently moved from a 1/8th on-road car to a 1/10th stadium truck.
Now in my on-road car I was running Blue Thunder 10% nitro (no idea on the lubricants). Anyway the on-road car is really old and finally broke where I can not replace the parts. This happened in March. I had about 3/4 of a Gallon of fuel left. Now last month I got a new stadium truck and decided to run the fuel I had, and for the most part the Truck has been running great. This weekend I was running a slightly hotter and dryer climate than usual. The first thing I did was add 1/8th turn to the high needle.
After the first 1/2 tank of fuel my engine over heated 304 degrees (I know, NOT good for my engine). I continued to chase my needles around looking for a setting that would prevent the engine from overheating. By the time I got there, about 250 degrees average, the performance was horrible. Transition from idle up was boggy and sluggish. (I should mention that the entire time running, even when I over heated, the engine was pumping loads of blue smoke).
I ran out of the 10% fuel, and the only car fuel available was 20% Blue Thunder, so I picked up a gallon. Anyway I started running this fuel without touching my needles.

- Now for the strange part ?

With the 20% my head temp dropped from 250 +/- 2 degrees to an average of 230 +/- and the engine cleaned up during transition.

This is the part that I can not put together. Higher nitro --> hotter burn, what could make it run cooler?

Could the fact the 10% fuel was about 6 months old cause it to run hotter? I am always careful about my fuels, Dark and Cool. When I need fuel I transfer from the 1 gal jug to a quart jug so the main fuel doesn't get exposed to the air/moisture as much.

Any thoughts on this would be helpful.

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Rc Fuel Faq - 8/5/2003 9:32:45 PM   
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