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Re: Ok, I sound a Little Hardcore - 1/12/2003 10:03:15 PM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by vpresley
I will be contacting my VP and the AMA with some questions of mine in the near future. [/QUOTE]

Since our VP in District V is NOT accountable to the membership in D-V or will he answer questioins or accept e-mail or registered letters perhaps you would do us a favor.

Ask you VP why the EC allows the D-V VP to ignor AMA protocalls, and rules.

1) the District VP has appointed himself as Frequency Coordinator. Is this in keeping with the intent of the bylaws?

2)District VP makes appointments of non-AMA, non-Leader members (where required by the by-laws) to key positions and then makes them Members at the time of appointment. Is this in keeping with the intent of the bylaws?

3)The District VP appoints and maintains AVPs that are no longer active in the hobby, nor will they even submit occasional items to the D-V web page or represent the membership in any way.

4) The District VP has maninpulated the election system by drafting individals to run at the last minute to dilute the vote.

5) The District VP acting as his own Frequency Coordinator refuses to provide AMA frequency moderating equipment to a CD campaigned against him.

Some of us would appreciate hearing what his answer is to this question. The standard "You elected him, he is your problem." is not an acceptable answer.

Red S. AMA 951

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What really caused the dues increase? - 1/12/2003 11:22:38 PM   
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People here often seem to point out that individuals (maybe even me!) will sit back and complain or whine about the problems in the AMA and that this is not productive. What I am trying to do is point out where I believe the "errors in their ways" have come in the last few years and I am proposing ways to fix it all. Some if it is drastic BUT that is only because nobody listened to the membership for so long that the ship has got so off its course it takes a drastic measure to get it back on. Also mentioned was people making statements or half truths about stuff without doing homework...well I for one have been doing plenty of homework and continue to do so to research the facts. Witness my request for a CPA or tax attorney to review the financials and consult with me on them. And for the last time I wish everyone would drop this whole AMA frequency farce. It will be big business like Hobbico/Horizon/Global/Futaba/JR/Hitec/Airtronics that join together to preserve their several hundred millions of dollars of annual revenue by lobbying the FCC if it came down to it. The AMA and it's relative small 10 million a year (cut down by 2/3 after expenses to a couple million) will not be the driving force in saving or gaining frequencies in this hobby. To compare the AMA's frequency win of MANY years ago is analogous to having a car which will no longer start and saying "well 10 years ago she started right up". That was in the past and their involvement and use recently to lobby the FCC has been idle as we are not threatened. Again, if we were be assured those with much larger stakes in this industry will step forward with far more power than the AMA.

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Are you sure about your satement's there ?? - 1/13/2003 12:40:34 AM   
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Well red as to your preamble about the D - V VP, I have to say I just talked to him on the phone for about 5 to 10 minutes. Picked up the phone and called him at the number listed in the magazine, no problems encountered there, this was Jan 12, 2003, at 2:30pm, eastern standard time. As for questions 1 thru 5, without checking with every member of D - 5, I would be hard pressed to see how many people share your views. Were you a D - V AVP at one time ?? Is there more going on here than meets the eye I wonder ? I dont know, do you ? Let me know what you think.

Vince Presley AMA 7051

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What really caused the dues increase? - 1/13/2003 1:16:45 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RCadmin
People here often seem to point out that individuals (maybe even me!) will sit back and complain or whine about the problems in the AMA and that this is not productive. What I am trying to do is point out where I believe the "errors in their ways" have come in the last few years and I am proposing ways to fix it all. Some if it is drastic BUT that is only because nobody listened to the membership for so long that the ship has got so off its course it takes a drastic measure to get it back on.

Also mentioned was people making statements or half truths about stuff without doing homework...well I for one have been doing plenty of homework and continue to do so to research the facts. Witness my request for a CPA or tax attorney to review the financials and consult with me on them.

And for the last time I wish everyone would drop this whole AMA frequency farce. It will be big business like Hobbico/Horizon/Global/Futaba/JR/Hitec/Airtronics that join together to preserve their several hundred millions of dollars of annual revenue by lobbying the FCC if it came down to it. The AMA and it's relative small 10 million a year (cut down by 2/3 after expenses to a couple million) will not be the driving force in saving or gaining frequencies in this hobby. To compare the AMA's frequency win of MANY years ago is analogous to having a car which will no longer start and saying "well 10 years ago she started right up". That was in the past and their involvement and use recently to lobby the FCC has been idle as we are not threatened. Again, if we were be assured those with much larger stakes in this industry will step forward with far more power than the AMA.
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Marc

While I admire your desire to illuminate the truth, is it possible you should further complete your search for the truth first?

Let's revue two statements in your current post.

While it may be true that the Radio Manufacturer's have millions in REVENUE, that does not equate to profits. In the case of Futaba, as an example, it is my understanding (not verified) that their prime business is making dashboards for cars and other types of Remote Control Systems. Radio Control model systems is strictly a losing sideline for them, done because someone at Futaba likes RC, and the core technology is similar. While my statement MAY not be based in fact, because it is hearsay, yours may be a half/truth.

The AMA is currently in contact with the FCC. They have located a few extra frequencies that they are currently trying to secure. This has been ongoing for a year or so that I know of.

Let's look at another issue that may give you some idea of just how far the Radio Manufacturer's are willing to go because of their vast spendable resources. Recently, some manufacturer's made claims about sensitivity of the receivers they are selling. The AMA saw that might allow less separation between sites. Specs and information were requested. How quickly do you think the manufacturer's responded, knowing that they might be able to force the sale of new receivers to those who needed them?
As I understand, the answer is that they did not respond at all. Nada. The effort was scrapped to move the separation distance between sites to 2 miles from 3. So much for your belief that revenue will drive them. Again, specifics may be slightly different, but the basics are correct, to the best of my knowledge.

Spread spectrum radio systems could eliminate virtually all of our frequency problems. It has been stated many times in many places that it is not a profitable proposition for the radio manufacturer's. Radio Control model systems are a sideline for them.

The only way you are going to find out all of the facts is to read and ask questions. There is a huge amount of information on the AMA web site and/or MA, and it does not scratch the surface of what the people on the EC or HQ can tell you. No one is going to write a book for you, YOU have to seek it out. Most members do not care about any of this and THINK that all the AMA does is supply them secondary insurance and THINK that is all they want.

Personally, I wind up picking up some information, much of it that is irrelevant, as this topic is. I do not follow up to make sure it is accurate. Normally, I share what I do know as fact as FACT or label things as opinion. This stuff falls in between. It's up to you to chase the facts if you are going to present them as such.

Your assertion that we should not deal in half/truths is a valid point.

JR

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Re: Are you sure about your satement's there ?? - 1/13/2003 3:05:54 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by vpresley
Well red as to your preamble about the D - V VP, I have to say I just talked to him on the phone for about 5 to 10 minutes. Picked up the phone and called him at the number listed in the magazine, no problems encountered there, this was Jan 12, 2003, at 2:30pm, eastern standard time. As for questions 1 thru 5, without checking with every member of D - 5, I would be hard pressed to see how many people share your views. Were you a D - V AVP at one time ?? Is there more going on here than meets the eye I wonder ? I don't know, do you ? Let me know what you think.

Vince Presley AMA 7051
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There were no views expressed on questions 1-5.

THEY WERE FACTS.

1) the District VP has appointed himself as Frequency Coordinator.

HE REFUSES TO APPOINT A FREQUENCY COORDINATOR - SEE THE AMA WEB SITE FOR FREQUENCY COORDINATOR FOR D-V

2)District VP makes appointments of non-AMA, non-Leader members (where required by the by-laws) to key positions and then makes them Members at the time of appointment.

AT THE TIME HE APPOINTED THE CONTEST COORDINATOR FOR R/C FOR FLORIDA (NOTE: NO OTHER DISTRICT APPOINTS CC FOR A SPECIFIC STATE) SHE WAS NEITHER AN AMA MEMBER OR LEADER MEMBER. HE GAVE HER THESE AT THE TIME OF APPOINTMENT OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER WHEN HE WAS INFORMED OF THE REQUIREMENT. SHE HAPPENED TO BE THE WIFE OF AN AMA MEMBER IN ONE OF THE LARGEST CLUBS IN FLORIDA - WHERE VOTES WERE NEEDED!

3)The District VP appoints and maintains AVPs that are no longer active in the hobby, nor will they even submit occasional items to the D-V web page or represent the membership in any way.

HIS PERSONAL DISTRICT V WEB PAGE LISTS ONLY 4 OF HIS 18 AVPS CONTRIBUTING. LOUISE IZZO, THE WIDOW OF ED IZZO, WELL INTO HER 70'S HAS NEVER PARTICIPATED IN THE HOBBY OTHER THAN A HELPER TO HER HUSBAND. AT THE PERRY SWAP SHOP, THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY NOW, THE AMA DISPLAY UNDER MCNEILL DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE SHOW NOR DID ANY OF HIS AVPS TO HELP OUT. JOYCE HAGER DID IT SINGLE HANDED. ONLY 2 OF HIS 18 AVPS ARE AVAILABLE VIA E-MAIL. PHONE NUMBERS ONLY FOR THE REMAINDER, NO USPS ADDRESSES GIVEN.
WHEN IT WAS REQUESTED TO HAVE AN AVP COME AND ADDRESS OUR CLUB (WE COVERED THE EXPENSE) WE WERE INFORMED THAT HIS AVPS DID NOT DO THAT. WHEN I WAS APPOINTED AN AVP, AND GOT NO DIRECTION I SENT HIM A LIST OF THE CLUBS THAT WERE CLOSER TO ME THAN ANY OTHER AVP AND TOLD HIM I WOULD COVER THEM . . ."NOT NECESSARY, WE DON'T DO THAT!"

4) The District VP has maninpulated the election system by drafting individuals to run at the last minute to dilute the vote.

HE APPOINTED (NOMINATED) TWO OF HIS BUDDIES (Jim Weems
AND Russell Mobley) WHEN CHALLENGED BY NORM DEPUTY IN THE 1998 ELECTION. HE LATER MADE BOTH OF THEM HIS AVPS. IN THE 2002 ELECTION HE ARRANGED FOR MANY SOUSA TO BE ADDED AT THE LAST MINUTE TO DILUTE A HEAVY VOTE FOR TONY STILLMAN (HIS FORMER FREQUENCY COORDINATOR). SOUSA GOT A HALF PAGE REPORT ON HIS CLUB AND CLUB OF THE MONTH AWARD IN MA FEB ISSUE.

5) The District VP acting as his own Frequency Coordinator refuses to provide AMA frequency moderating equipment to a CD campaigned against him.

HE REFUSED TO PROVIDE OUR CLUB WITH THE FREQUENCY MONITORING EQUIPMENT TO BE USED AT OUR ANNUAL IMAA MEET AND REQUESTED 6 MONTHS IN ADVANCE WITH SUBSEQUENT REMINDERS FROM OUR IMAA CONTACT. PROOF IS IN THE HANDS OF THE EC.

THESE ARE NOT OPINIONS!!!!

YES, I WAS AN AVP AT ONE TIME, BUT WHEN MCNEILL REFUSED TO LET A PROFESSIONAL WEB SITE DESIGNER AND AMA MEMBER CREATE A WEB SITE FOR DISTRICT V AND SET UP A DISTRICT V E-MAIL LIST (AS WAS BEING DONE IN OTHER DISTRICTS) I BECAME DISENCHANTED WITH THE WAY MR. MCNEILL WAS UTILIZING HIS AVPS (CONTRARY TO THE INTENT IN THE MEMBERSHIP MANUAL)AND STARTED CAMPAIGNING FOR A REPLACEMENT.

LIKE SEVERAL OTHER OF HIS AVPS - I WAS RELIEVED FOR NOT SUPPORTING HIM - HIS PRIVILEGE. SEVERAL OTHERS QUIT IN DISGUST OVER THE WAY HE WAS RUNNING (RUINING) DISTRICT V.

No "views' - FACTS!

FACT - MCNEILL WILL DO/SAY WHATEVER IT TAKES TO HANG ON TO HIS EC SEAT!

Red S. AMA 951
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red, I wont pass judgement on anyone - 1/13/2003 9:09:39 PM   
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As for District V issues, and your claims, its not for me to pass judgement on the validity of your claims. If you have a problem in your District, its for the District members to decide, and work to correct. Its been my experience that this happens if needed. After all, he was elected, no matter how much you dont like it. Why dont YOU run for District V VP ? There is an old saying that goes "Watch Out What You Ask for, You Might Get It". Work in a postive matter, lower the negative verbage and come the next election, throw your hat in the ring. What do you say ? Its easy to throw stones at the current office holder. Would be interested in your reaction if you were in office and someone was throwing rocks at you. Some how I dont think you would take to kindly to it.

Vincent Presley AMA 7051
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Poll - 1/13/2003 9:26:41 PM   
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Marc,

I'm glad to see that you plan to take the poll site-wide. Good idea.

I wonder if a more revealing question for a later poll might be, "Why did you join the AMA?"

FWIW,

CR

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What really caused the dues increase? - 1/13/2003 9:35:02 PM   
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As for running for VP District V I don't think the EC needs another 75 year old member, which is what I would be if I won and took office. I would much rather support a younger candidate that can bring some life into the organization, someone like Tony Stillman that will be running again.

As for the "negative" comments, just how do you characterize someone that is not doing the job they were elected to do? (by 42% of the voting members) I have not found a nice way to polish a turd!

If it is quite obvious from the last vote that the majority of D-V members know that the cheese slid off McNeill's cracker some time ago. If you are not convinced just look at some of the motions he has put before the EC. Fortunately some of them still have a full bag of marbles and have blocked his motions. It is unfortunate that the EC has chosen to maintain a system that is overwhelmingly in favor of incumbent retention and McNeill is an expert at playing that angle for all it is worth.

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What really caused the dues increase? - 1/13/2003 10:25:44 PM   
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I agree with Red in that it ain't so much negative in that there is _nada_ positive about the D-V VP.

Vincent, what do you can you relate to us that JMcN has done in a positive light? Other than Roberts Rules, first aid kits and fire extinguishers and snaps of important, very important and very, very important people in the district? And peachy flying scale planes?
I'm open-minded, convince me.

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What really caused the dues increase? - 1/13/2003 11:54:38 PM   
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I doin't suppose many outside of District V and very few in the district really have a handle on all the peachy things Mr. McNeill has done or proposed on their behalf.

Let me list just a few:

1) Change VP column photos to color
A motion was made (Dist. V) that the eleven district reports in Model Aviation be done in color. The estimated cost would be between $42,000-$84,000/year.

2)Use of AVPs
I was an AVP in district 5, under Jim McNeil and not
Once did he ever consult me, ask for an opinion from me, advise me or ask me for any input, about Anything! Tiano, Scholefield, Haywood, Slack, Joiner, Blair

3) EC Meeting July 12, 1999 - MOTION 6: moved by J. McNeill(IV), to establish the number of AVPs in District V to 20. The MOTION passed. He has yet to appoint his alloted number of 20.

4)Suspension of CD’s by District VP - J. McNeill
A district Vice President shall have the power to suspend a Contest Directors CD status for a period of 5 days. This power shall be unequivocal. 9-99

5)Suspension of Members by District VP - J. McNeill
A district Vice President shall have the power to suspend an AMA member's membership for a period of 5 days. This power shall be unequivocal. 9-99

6)Dismantled the professionally done Dist V website and fired the web master for posting technical article by Tony Stillman.

7)Established present McNeill's D-V web site with pictures of important, very important, personal friends and peachy airplanes.
Sans any content about the district, addresses of AVPs, contest coordiantors, contest board members, itinerary where he can be contacted in person. etc.

8) McNeill Dist V Report Nov 97
I have just started a District Newsletter on E-Mail. (has anyone ever seen one?)

9)McNeill re: his web page
My secret plan is to show 1 page for each of the 318 clubs in my District that want me to. I will group them by states.

10)McNeill in retaliation against the Georgia Model Aviators for support of Norm Deputy for VP. 1998
As a direct result of the manner in which Norman Deputy treated the Academy of Model Aeronautics at his Perry Show a committee of 3 has been developed here in Birmingham and are creating a Model Show beginning in Jan or Feb of next year in the old Fairgrounds buildings. (from McNiell letter published in Dixie Aeromaster Inc. Newsletter)

D-V members, feel free to add your own McNeill accolades. It's time to show the world what an asset he is to District V and the AMA in general.

Red S. AMA 951
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District V

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Dist V VP - 1/14/2003 12:53:34 AM   
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I am in Dist X. Most of what is posted by Red is exclusive to Dist V. You need to keep in mind that any VP has a reach that extends to all districts once he/she is elected. The easy and current example is the motion to put color photos of VP's in MA for $80,000. He has made other motions which are equally as... cavalier?

JR

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Re: Dist V VP - 1/14/2003 1:08:42 AM   
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by J_R
Bill

I am in Dist X. Most of what is posted by Red is exclusive to Dist V. You need to keep in mind that any VP has a reach that extends to all districts once he/she is elected. The easy and current example is the motion to put color photos of VP's in MA for $80,000. He has made other motions which are equally as... cavalier?

JR
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For some reason a lot of people don't get this. It is just like in our national goverment. Just because Hillary