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charging day fees for out of state family members at your field.

charge day fee for out of state family members

8% (8)

dont charge day fee for out of state family member

88% (88)

supposed to charge but would never inforce it

4% (4)

Total Votes : 100

(last vote on : 4/18/2006 5:32:33 PM)
(Poll ended: 5/1/2006 5:00:00 PM)

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charging day fees for out of state family members at yo... - 3/28/2006 7:24:53 AM

buddude8

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reason for this question. My brother and I both fly planes, but live 2500 miles apart. he lives in florida and i live in southern california. I go out to his house once a year for a week and he comes out here for a week. Whenever i go out florida I fly for free at both of the fields he is a member at. He just came out here for a week and the first day one of the members pulled the non member rule and charged him a ten dollar day fee. I can understand that if he lived local and was always trying to fly at the field under my membership, but he is here for 8 days a year. if he is charged for all eight days that is as much as a full memebship. i would just like to know what everybody does at ther fields.

thanks for polling up

ken

any replies would be nice on the reason of your choice.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 12:47:23 PM

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So, you can't bring a guest to your field without paying????

Yikes

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 2:47:16 PM

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While my club doesn't have a system for charging guests, I can easily see where one could be useful. Fields are not free to maintain. I personnally wouldn't mind paying a nominal guest fee to fly. I would even advocate that if I did fly as a guest at another clubs field, it would be my duty to give a donation to that club as a matter of gratitude.

I'm amazed that model flyers are some of the cheapest skates in the world. We'll pay $300-$500 for a plane, but don't like paying more than $50 (in my club) for annual dues.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members a... - 3/28/2006 2:59:10 PM

Hossfly

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Personally I have a problem with that, however if the club so chooses, then that is THEIR business.

My club has a day limit for free visiting:

1. The Guest actually resides outside one hundred (100) straight-line statute miles from
the Club's Flying Facility, and is a current member of the AMA. and is a member of
another currently effective AMA Chartered Club. Such person may participate at the
Club for up to and including, but not more than eight (8) days per calendar year, as a
specific Guest of any/all Jetero member(s).

2. Any current Club member that has a guest-in-house (regardless of the actual
sleeping quarters) may allow the guest to participate at the field with the member, if such
guest is an AMA member, for a period not more than twenty (20
consecutive days, or 2 periods of ten (10) consecutive days in any calendar year.
The limit periods may not be interchanged, or divided.

3. Attendance at Club advertised events and public fly-ins are not considered days for
the guest limit.

Locals inside the 100 miles are limited to 3 visits in any 12 months. Tried to be more liberal, however too many that love our field but hate our dues (Club owned facility) greatly abused the priveleges, and screwed the decent folk.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 3:35:12 PM

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First point - as far as I'm concerned, the "family member" part of the question is totally irrelevant IMO. I don't see that a friend visiting you for 8 days a year should be treated any different than a family member visting for the same duration.

That part aside, I can see a bit of both sides of the argument here. Many clubs have rules about a guest only being allowed to fly once a month, or 3 times a year, or whatever, because they feel that anyone getting more than that should really help pay for the upkeep of the facilities. That seems fair IMO. There again, paying the equivalent of a full year's membership just to fly for one week can seem a bit harsh to some people.

If I was your brother, and I was coming out every year to fly with you for a week, I'd probably just join the club anyway (unless club residency rules prevent me flying there) ... $80 per year for a load of fun is no big deal, and I'd want to support the club. BTW, there are probably quite a few members in the average club that only fly around 8 days out of the year anyway, and most of them would not think about asking for a rebate due to their 'low usage' of the facilities.

Conversely, if I were an officer in your club, I might suggest something like a "one week pass" option such that your brother could, if he wants, get 7 days for the price of 3, or something like that - just to show that we expect some contribution without it seeming like a "bend over" deal.

YMMV, which is fine.

Gordon

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members a... - 3/28/2006 3:41:56 PM

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Of course, highly problematical and not a friendly posture IMO.

One of the big problems I have with the fee system, in this case, is the need and ultimate cost of faculty to collect fees at the gate and to keep and record info. Otherwise it could easily be abused or selectively applied.

All measures, rules or policies within a club should insure absolute fairness above all else.

Besides, there may be laws in the area that are being ignored by the club. Many times there are licensing required and taxes and to collect for such charges. It always amazes me to witness law breakers making or enforcing their roolz.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 3:43:27 PM

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I suggest that this matter be taken up with your club leadership. Attend a meeting and convince them to make a change. Having a family member visiting from out of state is not the same thing as a local pilot trying to Bogart a free place to fly.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 4:00:17 PM

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All the local clubs that I know of in our area would require that your brother join after 1 to 3 visits. Enforcement depends on who is at the field at the time, but I would think your brother would be allowed to fly free at our field, until it started bothering someone. While I haven't heard of a per day fee, I think your club should at least not charge for the first few visits.

I have 2 questions, how much does your club charge and do the Florida clubs not have a guest rule? The former is motivatied by the fact that our club has about 300 members, yet I only see ~50 regularly. The remainder stay members to help out the club, some have moved out of the area, and others want to be able to fly if the whim hits them. Many are members of several clubs, one guy I know of joins 5 every year.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 4:16:55 PM

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Sure why not do it? No different then what gyms and even NFP's like YMCA (i know you guys like to talk alot about them) does for guests. It all depends on how much money the club has in the bank and if they need more or not. I bet at some of the Toledo clubs they don't charge fees seeing that they make a couple hundred grand a year hosting their show, while others work on a really tight budget. If you don't want to charge guests then you just put it in the annual membership to all members to make up for the revenue loss.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 4:27:28 PM

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If invited by a member, then they should not be charged. If a pilot who is non-member calls and asks to fly at the field, then the charge should apply.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/28/2006 10:55:37 PM

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Guests are always welcome at the Flying Gators MAC Field in Gainesville, FL. It is fun to see what others are flying and hear of what's going on in their part of the world. Of course even being on the main route into Florida vacation land this has not been a problem.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members a... - 3/28/2006 11:06:01 PM

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He's a family member visiting from a long distance for a short time. His flying there isn't going to cost the club any more money and most likely he's already paying membership at home. The club should stop being so greedy and let him fly for free.

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members a... - 3/28/2006 11:54:31 PM

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I belong to two clubs in Illinois, the Peoria RC Modelers and the Washington RC Flyers, no visitor (out of state or in-state) gets charged a fee for a visit. They must be AMA members to fly, and abide by the rules.

I think (and this may be a faulty memory) that both club constitutions have some kind of limits on this, to invoke when a freeloader abuses the courtesy. I do not recall that ever happening.

More likely we would ask their Email address, so we could send a newsletter...

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members a... - 3/29/2006 1:33:18 AM

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I can not see banning them from flying

but here comes AMA and liability and who is going to take the fall. You no we all are liable for what we do but to what extent

It gets interesting how many people are just plane lucky and how many don't care as long as they can get by with flying with no responsibility of what or where they are

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RE: charging day fees for out of state family members ... - 3/29/2006 3:32:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bkdavy

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I'm amazed that model flyers are some of the cheapest skates in the world.

Amen, Brad.

The original poster's club is example enough of the kind of stinginess we too often see expressed here.

Could be one of the 'whys' the 'if you wanna play you gotta pay' jihadists are outnumbered at least 10:1 by the 'outlaw' infidels they so revile.

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