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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/1/2006 8:36:00 PM   
Applehoney


 

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Status: offline 		>where the individual is totaly separated from the social milieu where he goes off and dies from separation from life as he knows it..

Roger, I agree, it's not a pleasant thought ... but ... before we get all maudlin about it, bear one thing in mind.

Mr Smith is now in that position entirely and solely by his own choice.

He was completely aware, at all times, of the consequences that could ultimately result from his actions. He accepted such, and so paid the price.

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/1/2006 9:43:18 PM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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Status: offline 		I don't like to see anybody lose their flight privliges. I would have preferred a 3 yr suspension or something in the hopes that he would learn something. I'm sure he loves the hobby and has good intentions, but you can't spit on MAAC's face and expect a pat on the back. The defence of doing what the zone wanted is lame also. For one, we are not zones, we are MAAC, we're all in this game together. secondly, I doubt anybody (minus the few blind followers) in the SW zone would approve of not submitting a budget requested by MAAC, his recent childish behaviour posing as other people, or quiting just before the AGM. Obviously he knew he was in the wrong, or he would have been there to defend his actions. It really is too bad it had to come to this. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If he were to publicly appologize to MAAC and the membership, I would support his reinstatement. Of course we all know that's not going to happen though, Chuck is right and the other 6000 of us are wrong.

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/1/2006 10:30:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jason Holdaway

For one, we are not zones, we are MAAC, we're all in this game together.


Good point Jason. In fact many have begun to believe the "us against them" Zone Wars crap when in reality the zones are more like electoral boundaries than organized special interest groups. Same holds true for "us against the BOD" The BOD represent us and we collectively are MAAC.

Jeff

PS Dave Larkin

Are you recieving my e-mails?

JH


< Message edited by jhelps -- 4/1/2006 10:31:36 PM >

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/1/2006 10:51:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Roger MAAC is not a government body, a club or anything else other than a corporation. Membership is not a right it’s a privilege. Every day there are many directors that are fired and have all privileges taken from them by the corporations that have let them go? I will bet dollars to donuts many have been let go for much lesser transgressions than Mr. Smith. There is no hearing in an appeal he simply appeals to the president and or the board in writing. Think carefully about what would be needed in this letter of appeal to sway the president or the board then ask your self has Mr. Smith expressed any regret, remorse or apology for his actions???? On his part I wonder what action he is taking to attempt to resolve this issue or is he expecting guys like you to do battle for him? We are supposed to be adults and have to take responsibility for our actions. That means if we have been wrong one should make the effort to correct those things. I don't see any of this happening in fact from what little I do see it seems it’s bound to get worse. If that is the case Roger how can you admonish the board for the action it has taken to protect the corporation and its members?

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/2/2006 2:44:40 AM   
bbbair


 

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Status: offline 		First off - I have never met Chuckles - except by reputation and by his actions - which by and by are deplorable.

For these actions; IMHO he got what he deserved. He has been rude to the association in general and the MAAC BOD in particular - he has made his opinions and contempt very well known... So if you can't play nice -you should expect to be asked to leave...

As to everyone that feels that poor old Chuckles will never fly again - WRONG!!

He can still buy, and build all he wants (no one can stop him). He can attend any function that he wants. (as a spectator)

All this sanction does, is remove him from the membership roles of MAAC - as such he can still Fly in Canada or the US. He just has to find his own insurance provider... and as such he is NOT WELCOME to fly at any MAAC sanctioned event or any thing that requires MAAC.

Sorry Chucky you cannot come and participate in our Fun Flies, or competitions etc.

You can start up your own club / organization in the back of some farmer's field and create your own little empire (which is what you have been trying to do for years!) Perhaps LLoyds of London will give you better coverage than MAAC does.

So why are folks so upset with the situation? Chuckles has gotten exactly what he wanted... to be master of his own little universe.

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/2/2006 6:55:27 AM   
DSLarkin


 

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Status: offline 		Jeff,

I am getting your e-mails but mine don't seem to be getting back to you.

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/3/2006 3:06:52 PM   
sivlE


 

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ORIGINAL: swampstik

Dismissal from directorship agreed;
Membership in maac with stipulations yes.
Total banishment is practiced in certain tribes of africa and the arctic and other parts of the world remote from society.
;where the individual is totaly separated from the social milieu where he goes off and dies from separation from life as he knows it..I don't think that we as a fun loving group of modeling enthusiasts want to do that.
We are not like that ; we are a forgiving people.
Allowing Chuck Smith to remain in the group shows our true spirit.
Does the collective population really want to banish him from the hobby that he truly loves.
Surely ;out of 12000 members there must be 6000 who still feel that he should be allowed to be a member with stipulations.
Not only that, of those 6000,surely some are his friends.
And in the SW zone,he has a large number of friends who think he is an OK guy (maybe a little to much outspoken and a rebel)
200 who voted for him.
Roger Damore

Hey Doge, I hear what you are saying but if you look at the facts and what harm he was doing to MAAC, the BOD acted as any BOD would under those conditions. The situation had to stop and stop immediately before any further damage and costs were incured. If his type of behavior was carried out in the workplace he would of been removed much sooner than he was with our organization. I acknowledge that he has some loyal friends who don't agree with what happened and want to try to help him out, but with that being said I also agree and stand by the MAAC ruling. I'm sure that the Enron exceutives have friends that feel the same way but the majority of the people they screwed don't. Everyone should realize that the actions of MAAC are in the best interests of the whole organization period. Some may not like what happened to Chuck but he is the victim of his own conduct. Unfortunate but necessary.

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/21/2006 6:41:26 PM   
goldguy


 

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Status: offline 		Delusional............"an idea or belief that is contrary to facts or reason".

I knew someone who suffered from this and there is absolutely no way that person would admit, that what they preceived as being the truth, was in fact not.

Paranoia.............."a mental disorder market by delusions, of persecution or grandeur"

Same guy, everyone was out to get him.




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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/22/2006 2:40:25 AM   
jhelps


 

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Status: offline 		Any news on what came of the complaints to Corp Canada?

JH

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 4/25/2006 12:59:10 PM   
Propworn


 

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ORIGINAL: jhelps

Any news on what came of the complaints to Corp Canada?

JH



Sounds to me like they have exhausted that route and no joy on their part. Their like a fungus they keep probing for a crack in the skin and when they find one they will try and invade through the opening and attempt to infect the whole host. We just have to stay alert and remember to wash our hands thoroughly when dealing with them and remember to always use a good bacterial wipe.

Dennis

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 5/8/2006 3:03:17 AM   
Rann


 

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ORIGINAL: Sharpy01's originating post....



Under these conditions, approval by Corporations Canada of these by-laws must not happen.






Corporations Canada has confirmed approval of the bylaws as voted on at the AGM.(see MAAC's website)

Another thing completed on the list! I guess those petitions went nowhere!


JHB

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RE: Petition and Corp Can. complaint solicitation - 5/8/2006 11:38:13 PM   
Jason Holdaway


 

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ORIGINAL: Rann

I guess those petitions went nowhere!

JHB


I strongly disagree with this statement. 3 or 4 people put a lot of hard work into peer pressuring people into supporting someone, and you say the petitions went nowhere?? Get some reality here!!! CLEARLY they went into the toilet along with the lawyer's letters.......some people's children......

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