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Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 3/30/2006 8:42:13 PM   
Ram_Man



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From Today's Ottawa Citizen

It was only a matter of time...

Cheers,
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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 3/31/2006 12:33:37 PM   
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The technology exists to do harm with many common items, we cannot stop that and to regulate ALL POTENTIALLY Harmful items would be impossible.

Keep in mind that Timothy McVeigh launched his attack in Oklahoma with a 5 ton rented truck and fertilizer - did the government ban trucks? Fertilizer?

There are much more efficient delivery methods than toy airplanes...

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 3/31/2006 4:42:49 PM   
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quote:

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The technology exists to do harm with many common items, we cannot stop that and to regulate ALL POTENTIALLY Harmful items would be impossible.

Keep in mind that Timothy McVeigh launched his attack in Oklahoma with a 5 ton rented truck and fertilizer - did the government ban trucks? Fertilizer?

There are much more efficient delivery methods than toy airplanes...



True, but the idea of using a GPS guided model airplane to carry out a terrorist strike is a news story and would generate PR for homeland security. How many fake news reports have been released by the government just for this purpose? All they need to do is find a suspected terroist with a model airplane in his house or appartment and we could be in for a rough time.


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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 3/31/2006 6:22:49 PM   
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Hi Bruce,

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Keep in mind that Timothy McVeigh launched his attack in Oklahoma with a 5 ton rented truck and fertilizer - did the government ban trucks? Fertilizer?



I don't think "Toy" airplanes will be banned, but considering how many civil liberties our American friends have recently lost, or may be about to lose, nothing would surprise me.

Food for thought, IMOHO.

Cheers,
Tom


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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 3/31/2006 7:05:29 PM   
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All they need to do is find a suspected terroist with a model airplane in his house or appartment and we could be in for a rough time.



OK - But if we keep with this logic then everyone that owns a car can be considered a terrorist with a potential weapon. Vehicles are being used daily to kill in Iraq...

In the hands of an expert a butter knife or cork screw is a lethal weapon - at best a RC AC with a GPS is a poor weapons delivery system too little payload and not accurate enough.

IF someone wanted to use such a system they would be better off to use a full sized AC - not a 3-7 lb toy that might have a range of 30 kms with a 1-2 lb cargo.

Reality check guys - it's NOT EFFICIENT or PRACTICAL. It's just fear mongering on the part of someone desperate to grab a headline...

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 3/31/2006 7:17:35 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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All they need to do is find a suspected terroist with a model airplane in his house or appartment and we could be in for a rough time.



OK - But if we keep with this logic then everyone that owns a car can be considered a terrorist with a potential weapon. Vehicles are being used daily to kill in Iraq...

In the hands of an expert a butter knife or cork screw is a lethal weapon - at best a RC AC with a GPS is a poor weapons delivery system too little payload and not accurate enough.

IF someone wanted to use such a system they would be better off to use a full sized AC - not a 3-7 lb toy that might have a range of 30 kms with a 1-2 lb cargo.

Reality check guys - it's NOT EFFICIENT or PRACTICAL. It's just fear mongering on the part of someone desperate to grab a headline...


I totally agree with BBBair however the bureaucratic idiots will form their own opinion and possibly create the perception of the planes being a threat due to their ignorance

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 4/1/2006 2:48:33 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: adaptabl
All they need to do is find a suspected terroist with a model airplane in his house or appartment and we could be in for a rough time.



OK - But if we keep with this logic then everyone that owns a car can be considered a terrorist with a potential weapon. Vehicles are being used daily to kill in Iraq...

In the hands of an expert a butter knife or cork screw is a lethal weapon - at best a RC AC with a GPS is a poor weapons delivery system too little payload and not accurate enough.

IF someone wanted to use such a system they would be better off to use a full sized AC - not a 3-7 lb toy that might have a range of 30 kms with a 1-2 lb cargo.

Reality check guys - it's NOT EFFICIENT or PRACTICAL. It's just fear mongering on the part of someone desperate to grab a headline...


Since when does ther truth matter in the post 911 time. We had two guys with a new video camera at a local park near the US/Canada bridge. The cops were called and found an emergncy flare in the car. CCN did a story on how the government stoped a terrorist attack to blow up the bridge. I never saw a story on how it was all a mistake after all the facts were out.



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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 4/1/2006 4:15:47 AM   
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I totally agree with BBBair however the bureaucratic idiots will form their own opinion and possibly create the perception of the planes being a threat due to their ignorance



Sivle is right!!!
The bureaucratic idiots that read a headline without knowing the facts and the situation BUT who are trying to either justify their jobs OR get promoted WILL exaggerate these situations to wild proportions... THAT is why WE have MAAC as a defense.

Our previous President- Wayne Bransfield, Went before a US Congressional hearing to defend OUR position - as a result we can still play with our toys ...

IF the need arrises once again, ... I do beleive that our current administration will once again rise to the occasion and allay any fears that the paranoid public may have... THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE THEM FOR ... That is why YOU pay your dues.


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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 9/1/2006 10:08:23 PM   
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this is all true about the range of them but a few years ago a guy had a plane he managed to fly across the ocean with out refuelling or any controllinput he took it off in canada and landed it on the other side of the pond the only times controlled it were landing and takeoff

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 9/1/2006 11:23:24 PM   
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In the hands of an expert a butter knife or cork screw is a lethal weapon -


Hey that's my wife!!!! You should see what she does to the cork in a wine bottle!!!!!

Chris




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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 9/8/2006 2:38:59 AM   
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From Today's Ottawa Citizen

It was only a matter of time...

Cheers,
Tom


How about this one.... An R/c plane crashed into a paraglider today....
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/716-full.html#193145

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 9/15/2006 3:19:46 AM   
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The key question is who has the right to fly in that location. Sounds like both pilots were making use of slope lift.

According to the Safety Code on BOTH sides of the border, the model must yield to the full-sized aircraft. Might be stretching the definition of aircraft .....

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 10/24/2006 1:25:13 PM   
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We have a lot to be concerned about, just like our American neighbours.

Check out,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=region®ionId=2

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 11/7/2006 5:03:03 PM   
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That's some of the funniest rag reading I've seen in a very long time -- thx for sharing it with us

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RE: Another Black Mark Against the Model Plane Hobby - 11/7/2006 9:40:23 PM   
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You mean like the following?

So much for honesty and truth from the CBC. It wasn't always like that. A shame and shame on us for tolerating it. JMO.

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by Prof. Michael Keefer

August 29, 2006
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Most of us, I would guess, are well aware of the constructed nature of the news and news commentaries fed to us daily by the corporate or “mainstream” media. We’re not surprised to find, in those cases where we have managed to obtain independent knowledge of a subject, that mainstream news stories are often only tenuously connected to what appears to have been the actual series of events. And we’re coming to expect, on the part of the people who construct these news stories and tell us how to interpret them, an increasingly slender respect for such archaic notions as truth, rudimentary ethics, and intellectual integrity.

As Arundhati Roy puts it, “In the ‘free’ market, free speech has become a commodity like everything else—justice, human rights, drinking water, clean air. It’s available only to those who can afford it. And naturally, those who can afford it use free speech to manufacture the kind of product, confect the kind of public opinion, that best suits their purpose.”1

Critical understanding of this kind has been assisted by the spectacular deconstruction in recent years of a whole series of major news stories, which have noisily disintegrated before our eyes—rather in the manner of those self-destructing public sculptures which enjoyed a brief vogue in the latter part of the twentieth century. When those Rube-Goldberg or Heath-Robbins-ish artifacts were exhibited by their creators, they clanked, grunted, heaved, threw off sparks, set themselves on fire, and eventually collapsed into smoking heaps of cogs, wires, pulleys and girders before appreciative audiences of avant-garde cognoscenti.

That’s much what happened in 2003 and since to the corporate media’s narratives about Saddam Hussein’s fearsome weapons of mass destruction, about the supposed reluctance of Bush and Blair to go to war in Iraq, and their supposedly pure and democratic motives when they did. That’s much what’s happening now to the claims advanced by Israel to legitimize its renewed aggressions against the Palestinians and Lebanese (Hizbollah’s “kidnapping” of two Israeli soldiers rather loses its steam as a casus belli once people learn about Israel’s prior provocations—and about the fact that all the early Israeli statements and press reports identified the soldiers as having been on Lebanese soil when they were captured).2 It’s happening as well to two somewhat more complex stories that have, until recently, been managing to sustain themselves in the corporate media.

One of these is the story that George W. Bush actually won the 2004 presidential election, and hence has some right to the office he continues to occupy.3 The other is the no less fraudulent story that the terrorist crimes of September 11, 2001 were perpetrated by a gang of Islamist fanatics led by a bearded Saudi in an Afghan cave—rather than being organized (and subsequently covered up) by civilian and military officials at the highest levels of the Bush regime.

Even if the general pattern is well known, one small further example of how the mainstream media typically operate may still be of some interest—not least because it provides an indication of the degree to which publicly-owned broadcasters have been swayed in the same direction as the rest of the corporate media by the often unsubtle pressures exerted on them by corporatist politicians. In the present case, the immediate operators are functionaries within the radio division of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, which as a publicly owned broadcaster pro