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33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/2/2006 8:31:45 PM   
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Here's a very talented young lad having his maiden flight with a 33% YAK 54, on the same powerplant i'm running in my Raven, but with a lot more "cojones"

http://www.e-flightline.com/movies/AM%20Yak%203-30-06.wmv

the plane is only about 4 lbs heavier than mine but the yak is definitely a new gen aerobatic plane, with the raven some of the stuff this guy's flying is simply not possible. eat your heart out!

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/3/2006 1:26:48 AM   
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Very Impressive!!

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/3/2006 2:17:02 AM   
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nice flying....but it just sounds .... wrong

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/3/2006 2:35:49 AM   
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I don't own any electrics and am impressed how far they have come in recent years. But, I am curious how much money in motors, batteries, speed controllers and chargers it takes to make that giant plane sound like a foamy? Amazing.....

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/3/2006 4:38:49 PM   
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Alot.
The batteries aren't cheap...
But the electrics are a fairly worry free setup. I don't think I'll go back to glow. Well, except right now as I lost my electric Eclipse last week.
I run the Axi's and they are fairly priced. Motor and Esc are like $430 bucks. The batteries cost around 11-1200 for four batteries, which is two sets.
Of course mine is just a pattern setup, not a 33%.
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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/3/2006 9:09:30 PM   
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I must say, Kyle is about THE BEST 3D pilot I have ever seen. I have seen many and been flying for bout 22 years and like to think I am a fairly accomplished 3D pilot myself I have seen video of him flying a Funtana and etc, but that was some kind of impressive. He 3D's like it should be done. Smooth. Anybody can bang the sticks. A Yak is a very neutral plane and that one fliues great, but Kyle made it look unreal. Chip Hyde, Bill Hempel, no one is a better 3D pilot than Kyle. IMAC and pattern Quique is pretty well king and Mark Leesberg, but Kyle can stand toe to toe with anyone for 3D.

Great job Kyle. What motor was that or was he using a couple Hackers???

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/3/2006 9:36:52 PM   
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it's a NeuMotors 2215/1,5Y with 6,7:1 gears on an APC/E 27 x 13 with CCPHX110HV controller, all for less than 1k $...talking bout costs, it would be hard to find a smoker with that ooomph for that amount, period. ok, the batteries....but they are getting cheaper by the day

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 2:42:59 AM   
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Could go with an axi. No gearbox for probably half the price.

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 4:23:16 AM   
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No AXI will make the power that NEU does. That setup pulls OVER 100A. Any AXI would blow up at those limits.

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 4:40:50 AM   
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Lol, another Axi hater I see...
Do you have proof that this will happen or are you just talking smack?
I happen to know that Axi does make a motor. Even two.
They have the 5360 goldline for up to 15000 grams. And they have the Double 5330 gold. I run a 5330 F3A motor in my pattern ship and it max's at 85 or so with 10 cell Tp's. Trust me when I tell ya it's a great motor. Too much power for the plane. So I set the throttle at 80 percent on a switch so that I don't need full throttle. Therefore not using the full amperage either.
I'll be running the Axi in my 33%. Anyone wanna buy a zdz80?

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 5:39:10 AM   
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I am not a AXI hater. I own one. A smaller 4130/16. I run a 6S2P on it and it is a great motor. I think a AXI is a great motor, but the numbers are nothing close to the NEU motor. The Neu motor is designed to handle a insane amount of amps. I know of now AXI that can handle 4.5 Kw or so. None. If they make one please show it to me. Itis not on their web site.

No outrunner makes that kind of power except the Plettenberg and it is a amp monster too and anything Plettenberg isn't cheap. They are great motors though.


No one would love to see a AXI or cheaper motor succeed in this realm, but I know of none currently that will. There sure is a world of distance in your pattern ship and a 33% scale aerobat. Probally about 15 lbs difference. That is if you have a 2M plane.


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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 6:28:37 AM   
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Ok, my bad. Sorry. But, goto http://www.modelmotors.cz/downloads/catalogue2006-lowres.pdf
Page 23 I think.
The 5360 Axi handles up to 33 pounds, 30x10 wood prop. Jeti 90 speed control, with 10s lipoly's.
I think my 33% with the zdz will be 24 to 25 pounds. 13 or 14 pounds heavier than my 2m ship so your right on that. But, there were ney sayers that said the Axi wouldn't work for pattern. And it is. And by far. I don't know about the new line of hacker outrunners, but it has alot more power than the hacker inrunners. And the hacker is a great motor. So is the neu. Not saying anything negative about it. It is a really good motor. I will make the Axi work in my 33%. It will be awhile because I'm setting up another 2m pattern ship as I just lost one. But it's next on the list. I'll have a thread on it good or bad to inform all.
Yes it has to be proven, but we have proven the Axi in F3A works already so we'll give it a try in the 3d field.
All this electric stuff is so interesting. I'm loving it.

Great, great video. Just what I needed to get motivated to put the final work to this 33% Extra. And also, to sell the zdz and go electric.
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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 6:33:39 AM   
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The pletenberg Predator is one size bigger than the BAM and handels more power... 11kwatt! (30x10" 48v, 212A, 6035rpm, 88%, 10176w)

Motors same size as the BAM, Pletti Terminator and actro 60L, this year there will come more outrunners designed for 4-8kwatt 800-1400g up to 15s Lipo

I recon the dubbel Axi can do the same jobb, but the efficiency will drop becas of the dubbel motor, dubbel controller design.



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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 9:29:46 PM   
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hi chris!

don't wanna argue with you about the quality of axi's, i'm using 5330/18's myself on my patternships since last year. but you can really save your money, forget about that 5360 and the doubleaxi, i saw prototypes in pipers, that's ok. but for an extra, replacing a zdz80, no way. these are scale-type motors, like the actro and the rs from germany. the kV is way to low, you get only between 3000 and 3800 rpm on the prop with 10S, and if you start loading it up, it'll go, the windings aren't made for 100+ A. and you either need that or 12 to 15S to get the desired rpm's. unless you want the first ECO-Extra fact is, the design of that/those outrunners prohibits output over 3kW, and to fly my 20 lbs raven as it was meant to be flown, i need at least 4kW, 5 would be better, but i still hesitate to go over 10S (charging, handling, danger...) i've got 4kW now, on 35V at 115A, and the Neu2215/1,5Y still stays cool, because steve neu currently makes the most efficient electric motors in the business, producing some 92%. the loss, 8% friction&heat of 4kW is 320W, still a good soldering iron. that axi at 115A will run around 77-80% efficiency, producing about 800W of heat. that will work for 3 minutes...and the damn thing is heavy, 1350gr for the single, 1550gr for the double, that Neu with gearbox (yeah, i know, it sounds like your mom's 30-y-o-kitchen-aid ) comes in at a lean 990gr. in old money, that's saving between 13 and 20 oz. all with much, much less power. sorry again, but it's comparing Yugo's to Porsche's

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RE: 33% Electric Yak 54 Video - hardcore! - 4/4/2006 9:58:37 PM   
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If the KV is to low, go with one that has a higer KV, its just a matter of winding and voltage.

For high power you need to go over only 10s

are there any dyno tests done on the BAM, 92% on 4kwatt load?

http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/UK/Motoren/aussen/Terminator/Luftschrauben.htm

http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/UK/Motoren/aussen/Predator/Luftschrauben.htm


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