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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/4/2007 12:59:45 PM   
bassman



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Well guys the day is here. Tomorrow I take the 17 to the field and start breaking in engines with a first flight scheduled for Sunday. Well see how it goes. A little detail work left to do but I think I can finish it up today. I'll keep you posted.

Bassman

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/4/2007 2:22:02 PM   
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Remember to keep the lungs working..and that knocking sound is your knees.
Good Luck,
Twinman

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/4/2007 3:45:04 PM   
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Good luck!

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/6/2007 3:03:09 AM   
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Well I ran engines today. It is going to take a little more running time to get them right though. I ran each engine indivdualy and thought I had them set well. Then I ran the two left side engines and got them running well together. Then I did the same for the two right side engines and got them running well together. The trouble started when I went for all four. I just couldn't get the two sides to preform well with all four running. I think that I still need to get a little more break in time on the engines. Ill get back to it tommrow. I am still looking forward to first flight on Sunday.

Bassman

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 2:05:59 AM   
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Here's a run down of today’s activities. First I took a lot of time and got all four engines running perfectly on their own. I had to do a lot of air bleed needle adjustments to get the idles right and then to get a solid transition to full speed but I did eventually get it on all four. Then I turned to the left side engines and had to play with the throttle linkage on the outboard engine a little to get the idle speed on both engines close to the same. Then I did the same thing on the right side. All was good. I could set the engines on either side at idle and sit back for as long as I wanted and the idle stayed solid. The engines would spin up to full with no sag. Great now I started all four and used the ATV in my radio to get the engines on both sides with a 100 rpm of the same idle. I then tried some taxiing in my yard. Here where I started to run into some issues. No matter how carefully I started my taxi run the plane would turn left. I Started with full right rudder and full up elevator and slowly advance the throttle and the plane turns left. I checked both the idle speed and top speed of the engines and they are within a couple of hundred rpm of each other on both ends. I guess I an going to try slaving the throttles to the rudder so that a slow speeds the engines help turn the plane. Any other ideas???
Needless to say no first flight today.

Bassman


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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 4:30:53 AM   
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I suppose setting counter-rotating engines/props would be way to troublesome for a glow powered setup. I think, if you program in some differential throttle, you can solve the problem your experiencing. Currently, all your motors are turning normal direction which means all of them are pulling the plane left on the ground. Its sometimes hard enough to keep a plane straight with 1 or 2 motors doing this, but 4? I can see the rudder not being enough. So, either adjust the right thrust on your engines, or program in differential throttle so that the left side engines are pulling more RPM's then the right based on rudder input if you hold right rudder.
This will cause the left motors to want to pull the plane right because there is more thrust on the left side fo the plane. You can also program in the right motors to lower their RPM's somewhat if you input right rudder......just be carefull here though cuz if you do program this(the slowdown on the engines on rudder input), you need to make sure the idle of the engines is set to be able to run on the throttle trim settings otherwise inputting the rudder too far might cause those motors to shutdown.


Set this on a toggle switch so you can turn it off and on. It wont need a whole lot. I have a smaller electric B-25 that uses differential thrust and I have it set at +-35%. So, when inputting left rudder, the right motor will spin faster(up to 35% more) and the left side motor will slow down(up to 35% slower). I have it at 35% because there are no functional rudders on this plane. On this B-17, it has a working rudder/tail wheel so you probably wont need 35% mix to keep the plane straight on the runway during take off. You might try like 15-20% to see how it goes.
This process assumes you have set up the left side motors on different channel then the right side motors. One other way to do this is to have the inner most motors on same channels with no differential throttle and have the outer motors on separate channels and do have differential throttle(this may require a higher mix percentage, but would only effect those outer motors and the inners will stay at a constant RPM relative to each other all along the throttle curve).

I also have differntial throttle on a P-38, but once in the air, I dont use it and switch it off. Of course, i dont need it on the gorund much because both this and the afforementioned B-25 have counter-rotating props which mostly cancel out the pull to the left.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 5:50:10 AM   
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Has the person responsible for that 5 engined B-17 monstrosity been arrested yet ??? Or at least his AMA and IMAA cards been torn up ???

Reminds me of a guy what brung a 3 engined P-38 to our field some years back, nobody wanted to fly it for him, it was such a POS.

However, I don't mind much watchin fantasies like these try'n ta fly.


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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 4:53:01 PM   
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I resemble that B-17!! It is a "Scale" conversion....done in 1950 to test the GE Turbo props.........uh..........three engine P-38?........uh....Want to see that???....kind of 200 yard standoff scale? Done that too.
Both units fly very well with unlimited..OK Ok,,none scale vertical!!
Twinman
PS Twins will cause brain damage and entertainment to the fellow club members!!!

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 5:58:56 PM   
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Ya coulda at least used a real turbo prop engine, they make um now fer R/C ya know...

Carlos

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 7:23:45 PM   
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Nine points!!! I do not get insulted...but will grade a good cut!!
I live to entertain my buddies at the field...ok ok..sometimes here also!!
Tee Hee.
Twinman.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 7:41:47 PM   
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Ok, Twinman..
I am NOT entertained !!!
Sooo,, mebbe if you were to make up a P38 and turn it into a pusher,,
and fly it, no inceeeedents,, I would be entertained..

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/7/2007 8:45:03 PM   
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Today we had first flight. The Bells first mission was a resounding sucess. I slaved the egines on the left side to the rudder and only added throttle with rudder on that side. It solved all of the ground handling issues and frankly it worked so well I just flew it that way. It worked out that the lower the throttle setting the more additonal throttle the slave added. At mid throttle there is almost no change. Perfect. I am going to add a little more nose weight as she seems a little tail heavy but not enough to cause any problems. I'll move the balance point forward 1/4" and see what happens. Landing was smooth. I did loose one engine as I crossed on to the field but I took Twinmans advice and once you commit to land just do it. Thanks for all your help guy's. Comon now lets get a few more of these into the air.

One happy Bassman



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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/16/2007 5:04:33 PM   
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Here's pictures from the second outting with the 17.

Bassman

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 5/16/2007 6:18:49 PM