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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/2/2006 6:30:57 PM   
kahloq



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Status: offline 		Thorough review. I do not like the servos for the elevator being on the outside of the fuse, other things I don't care for have already been mentioned.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/2/2006 7:35:07 PM   
Robby



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Status: offline 		Allrighttyyy, people...

Seems like some people think this thread is veering off course some..

Please.. may I remind you of the thread title..

B-17 ARF....

Where comparsion is ok,, discussing likes and dislikes is ok,
discussing kit vs ARF is not a comparsion..
And lets try not to degrade anyone or anyones product here....

Thank you,

Robby

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/2/2006 8:38:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		It might help to remember that this is possibly a new class of ARF "Sport Scale/ Weekend Warrior Scale" The one we used to say that it was "stand way the heck off scale"

This bird was intended for the flyers that dont need nuts and bolts scale and can remember that it is enjoyed best in the air and moving, which makes ANY FLAWS real hard to spoil the enjoyment.


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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/2/2006 8:53:27 PM   
Robby



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Terror,,
Thank you,,
That is a very good way to put it....

It looks like a B-17..
It flys like a sport plane..
Is <as much as can be> easy for average person to assemble and fly..
Is very affordable for,,, a four engine plane..

Now,, there is no reason why everyone shouldn't go and get one,,
and inpress the hell outta everyone at the field...

Me thinks they will be paying more attention to a four engine plane
than an outta place rivit...

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 12:32:47 AM   
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Two things. First, let’s all go here and review the thread on the EAM B-17 build. An ARF? Not by anyone else’s definition, sir. You do have a lot of plastic shells, but you still have to build all the structure. To be an ARF all the structure will be done, and have the shells glued on at the very least.

Second, what sticks out with the Cedar B-17 is the width of the canopy framework – those wide painted lines just “Aint right.”

Spoke to Cedar Hobbies earlier this afternoon, the lines will be changed on later production, and future offerings will have the narrow lines from the start.

As stated, this is a “Fun scale” plane, and as such it fills its role admirably.

Bill.


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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 12:39:57 AM   
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Thanks for the build I am still intrigued. Could you get us some more pics of the completed one. It looked to me as if the cowls you were cutting were different than the ones in the rest of the pics. I would love to see some more pics please. Yea, yea, yea I know I'm killing you

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 1:36:25 AM   
twinman



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Status: offline 		Just for everyone's interest. The servos in the tail are OPTIONAL build. The mounts are covered and the builder can install them in the forward part of the fuse.
I would LOVE to get more pictures and maybe video....As usual,
the job that supports the hobby,hasme in China on Business..no RCrelated. What REALLY sucks...I saw that Paul over at Rcwarbirds posted my build article...RCWARBIRDS.COM is blocked in China..?????? and I cannot see the story.
Maybe I can even play with this thing..after jet lag is over. NEVER mess with mulit's with jet lag.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 3:52:31 AM   
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Maybe I can even play with this thing..after jet lag is over. NEVER mess with mulit's with jet lag.


That's his story and he's sticking to it,

I do believe that he he has been seen at the field with a trans in hand and a great case of jet lag in his sinus's though.

See ya at the field in a couple of weeks TM




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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 8:31:23 AM   
twinman



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Status: offline 		That's it Terror..Your flying it!!, while I take pictures...maybe the shutter is fast enough to catch your bony knees shaking!!
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Remember the VQ A-26 Latest prototype? You squirmed on that one too..Hey, it had three minutes flight before you got it!! quit whineing!!..You know..that front machine gun canopy or bomb site area on the B-17..I guess whichever it was used for...Put in a firewall..Hmmm .15...uh...got to go..oh yeah..wrong continent. Later!!...There is a sport five engine plane born!!!

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 8:39:52 AM   
William Robison



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And yes, that's EIGHT engines on this baby. We don't piddle around with just five.

Haw.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 8:48:47 AM   
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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 10:59:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: William Robison

kahloq:

Two things. First, let’s all go here and review the thread on the EAM B-17 build. An ARF? Not by anyone else’s definition, sir. You do have a lot of plastic shells, but you still have to build all the structure. To be an ARF all the structure will be done, and have the shells glued on at the very least.

Second, what sticks out with the Cedar B-17 is the width of the canopy framework – those wide painted lines just “Aint right.”

Spoke to Cedar Hobbies earlier this afternoon, the lines will be changed on later production, and future offerings will have the narrow lines from the start.

As stated, this is a “Fun scale” plane, and as such it fills its role admirably.

Bill.



I never stated the eam B-17 was an ARF, I said it was closer to an ARF then your giving credit for compared to an outright stick build kit(which it isn't)
You have a very narrow view of what an ARF comprises and it doesn't match what all the major r/c airplane mags define it as.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 11:26:45 PM   
William Robison



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Your post in this thread of 5/23/2006 12:31:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: kahloq
Here is build thread for eam.net's ARF B-17
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323519

Please note the three letters immediately before “B-17.”
Now, still in this thread, 6/3/2006 4:59:02 PM,

quote:

ORIGINAL: kahloq
I never stated the eam B-17 was an ARF,

Pardon me if I was confused.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kahloq
You have a very narrow view of what an ARF comprises and it doesn't match what all the major r/c airplane mags define it as.

Possibly narrower than yours, but far more in line with the mags and the people who buy them.


Bill.


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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/3/2006 11:36:49 PM   
kahloq



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quote:

ORIGINAL: William Robison

Kahloq:

Your post in this thread of 5/23/2006 12:31:44 AM

quote:

ORIGINAL: kahloq
Here is build thread for eam.net's ARF B-17
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=323519

Please note the three letters immediately before “B-17.”
Now, still in this thread, 6/3/2006 4:59:02 PM,

quote:

ORIGINAL: kahloq
I never stated the eam B-17 was an ARF,

Pardon me if I was confused.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kahloq
You have a very narrow view of what an ARF comprises and it doesn't match what all the major r/c airplane mags define it as.

Possibly narrower than yours, but far more in line with the mags and the people who buy them.


Bill.



Not when the mags say....and I quote(from Flight Ready ARF Guide): "ARF's come in many flavors. Most are precovered, some come with fiberglass parts or plastic pieces, and usually they are not overly difficult to put together. Some have more work to be done then others, but all fall into the ARF category." <--- That last sentence is referring to kits that have prebuilt portions of the plane. Ie...pre-sheeted wings, fiberglass fuse, prebuilt tail and horizontal stablizer.
Flight Ready ARF Guide is published by the same people that publish Model Airplane News and Backyard Flyer.
You are of course welcome to limit yourself to your narrow view.

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RE: B-17 Flying Fortress ARF Question - 6/4/2006 12:31:52 AM   
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Model Airplane News not withstanding, the industry defines an ARF as an assembly kit that requires no covering or painting. If the wings and tail surfaces were fully built and sheeted, your EAM kit might fall into the category called ARC (Almost Ready to Cover), but since they aren't, it's just a kit.

Jim

Edit: It might interest you to know that EAM does not call it an ARF.

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