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1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/20/2006 10:30 PM   
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I have a problem with my 1/6th scale M5 Stuart and wondered if anybody else had experienced this and if so can it be fixed. When you run it forward there is little or no engine noise at all. However, during a turn in either direction using only one track you get the expected reving and then running down sound. While the tank is just sitting still it idles away quite happily and very occasionally it does the reving bit when moving forwars or backward. Apart from this all other stuff seems fine.

I had planned on upgrading the electronics as per the replies from my other post as they were all excellent but if the tank is not going to function correctly with the sound I do not see much point and will give it to the kids to play with to keep them away from my other ones.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/21/2006 2:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The sound effects of my 1:6 Stuart went out about a week after I got mine. I took it apart and tinkered with everything, but I never did find the problem.

I gave mine to my son, too.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/21/2006 2:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its only been a few days since I finished my upgrade,but so far the sound works fine.
It no longer gives that growl that it used to(just the idling engine) ,but thats fine with me,I did not like that anyways.
You know, the growl it made when you let off the throttle.
I am doing the 1/9 Abrams now.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/21/2006 6:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mine can be described somewhat like yours. That is, during forward acceleration my tank's engine noise is there and audible enough but it seems like it is drowned out quite a bit by the roar of the electric motors and gearboxes.

A pretty suitable modification for the speaker is to relocate it so it points up through the engine screens on the upper rear hull. Provided of course that you Dremel open the molded in screens/grating and replace with brass mesh or the appropriate expanded steel mesh. Located there and pointing up of course, it will be pretty loud.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/21/2006 1:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cheers guys

I had looked inside it last night and found one problem. The plug that goes into the small board in the middle of the tank that routes from the turret was very loose. This was causing a lot of crackling and distortion at the speaker. When I sorted this it made a big improvement to the overall sound but as Harquebus says, I think I will move the speaker up near the top and open up the vents.

The growling bit is strange as well. I have found if you push both sticks forward at the same time the sound does not work (no growl). If you push one and then the other quickly afterwards the sounds work properly. Maybe I should just do this in future and give it what looks like a bit of torque steer on takeoff

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/23/2006 3:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The "growling", a sound effect I happen to like quite a bit actually, I think is supposed to replicate the sound of one engine (the M5A1 Stuart had two Cadillac V-8's) turning the tank while the other one is throttled down. I'm not sure if that is mechanically feasible in the Stuart or historically accurate but it seems appropriate. Thus you would only hear a solitary engine growl when you're making the tank turn or pivot.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/23/2006 11:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Harquebus

Does your one behave like my one then? I do not think it is correct on my own tank as all that comes out if both sticks are pushed together is some static sort of noise.

I noticed an M5 electronic control unit on Tankzone, does anybody have any info on this. Does it do proper sound etc or is it just to control the thing?

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/25/2006 6:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. Mine makes no static noise--it acts properly as far as I can tell. But the "growl" sound is activated only in the way you suggest.

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*A cursory glance at Tankzone yielded no results on the M5 control unit. Can you provide the link?

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/25/2006 1:19 PM   
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The control unit is on the following page

http://www.tankzone.co.uk/cart/21st_M5tank.htm

The item is

M5S0010 - M5 Electronic Control Unit
Description pending.

Very pricy but I wondered what it did, sound, extra options etc. I am quite new to RC compared to a lot of the others so wondered if this was worth bothering with.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/25/2006 4:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks simply to be a Tamiya Unit modified for the Stuart(probably bigger transistors).
For about $600 USD,no thanks......spend $109 on a scorpion xl and does same thing(for speed control that is).

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/25/2006 10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I'll add on to what jstrat121 was saying in that you really only need a proportional speed control to improve this tank. The sound effects are fairly perfect--I do think the main gun should have a more "booming" sound or light caliber "crack", cannot say which is more appropriate. I'll ask the Bradley guys what the 25mm sounds like when firing single rounds as it should be similar. Also, I'm planning on adding a "speaker box" to the Stuart's OEM speaker in order to make the sound a bit more muffled and deeper, much like what you see in heavily pimped out Honda Civics...

It sounded like you fixed the static and sound problem in your second post, is that right?

The only electronic option worth disabling on this tank is the jerking recoil action when firing the main gun. Very unrealistic as it rolls the tank backward no matter which direction the turret is pointing. I've heard it can be disabled leaving the other sounds intact. Again, info is found along with wiring diagrams, on that other site I guess I'm not allowed to mention.

Hope you get it all sorted out,

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/25/2006 11:39 PM   
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Yes, I think it is sorted pretty much now. I think that what I thought was a problem with the sound only working with one stick pushed is a "feature" . The main problem was to do with the plug on the board that I fixed.

I am not sure what the site we are not allowed to mention is so do not know where the diagrams are. Is there a place we can mention that might have them

I must say that I am having a lot of fun with this thing and it certainly pulls a crowd if I run it outside. I am already working on the cosmetic bits a bit like the site with Dave's custome M5 I say in another thread. To be honest the 1:16 Tiger on the workbench has currently taken a back seat and probably will for a bit.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/26/2006 12:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		'Just being silly about the "unmentionable site" but others say the German Heng Long forum cannot be mentioned here, I guess because they are a competitor or something along those lines.

Anyway, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/M5Stuartrctankbattalion/ should have the info, links or the right way to go about getting the info you need. There's a lot of modifications mentioned deep within the messages section...

-Harq

Edit: I really think the one-stick-pushed growl is meant to be one engine, say the right engine, throttling up to pivot the tank left. Then it growls again as it throttles down. Strange maybe but it sounds so cool.

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RE: 1/6th M5 Stuart Sound Problem - 4/26/2006 1:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Herquebus.

I also think it sounds cool and so does everybody else who hears it. The trick that I mentioned previously means you get the growl and engine noise all the time as well which sounds impressive as it cruises along. I must admit I have had more fun with this thing that any other RC tanks so far. I know it is not up to a Tam in quality or features but the size sure does make up for as far as I am concerned and a lot of the mods I have had from others at this site will improve it for the future.

I have just about finished the rear stowage bin and a couple of the other mods and will post some pics in the near future. I did get a ready made stowage bin on ebay and it was very good but it was an earlier style version by the look of it so did not fit with my plans. It can go back on ebay or perhaps in the cupboard until I get my next M5 - and a bigger house to store them in
Still not sure about removing the skirts yet though as I kind of like them.

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