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Well, Joyce Hager just emailed me. You probably got the same email, but if you didn't, here it is:
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Dear AMA Member,
I am sending this E-mail to you in a request for your assistance. With recent advancements in electric R/C technologies and the advent of the very popular "Park Flyer" aircraft, the demographics of the modeling community are rapidly changing. In order to better serve our members the AMA Executive Council is considering instituting a membership program that is specifically aimed at addressing the needs of the park flyer pilots. We have defined these "park flyer modelers" as having models that weigh 2 pounds or less, do not exceed 60 mph, and do not fly higher than 200 feet.
This proposed program would have less insurance coverage, be limited to non-sanctioned events, and include a bimonthly magazine focusing on electric-powered aircraft. Additionally, we view this new membership group as establishing electric-power flying fields in urban areas and not being part of existing clubs. We have priced this program at $29.95 per year.
To better assess the views of the membership, the AMA Executive Council is seeking your input in answering the following questions:
1) Given your current involvement in the hobby, would an "electric only" program as described above better meet your needs?
2) If such an alternative membership program was offered, would you be inclined to choose this program over your existing full-service membership?
Again, I want to underscore that this is a proposed program.
Thank you for your assistance!
Joyce Hager
Acting Executive Director on behalf of the Membership Development Committee
Also the attached chart was included.
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60 MPH???? My giant scale aerobatic planes usually fly near that limit, or just slightly above it. I don't know about you guys, but a 2 pound plane doing 88 feet per second is going to pack one hell of a whallop!!!
The plan sounds like a good idea, but I think they need to seriously re think the 60 mph thing.
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I guess I see it as they woke up and are trying to adress this. Which is nice for a change not to mention they asked for our opion. By all means give them yours.
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ORIGINAL: 50%plane
Well, Joyce Hager just emailed me. You probably got the same email, but if you didn't, here it is: <snip>
I think the program is a good idea. I also think this poll of the membership is biased to shoot it down.
"1) Given your current involvement in the hobby, would an "electric only" program as described above better meet your needs?
2) If such an alternative membership program was offered, would you be inclined to choose this program over your existing full-service membership?"
This program was very clearly intended by those that proposed it to attract e-flyers that are not currently in the AMA fold. These questions are directed at current members, and the responses to the questions are clearly intended to demonstrate that some members will opt for the $29.95 membership deal and drop their current $58 membership. I doubt that Joyce Hager is behind this email, but she has a boss and I don't doubt that you know who that is.
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This whole plan looks to me to be an orchestrated attempt to hush the constant criticisms by offering a new idea.(did anyone else read the district reports in the latest MA?) However, this idea is crap and will only result in spending more money and dividing the membership over it.
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I'm just wondering if this will cover you to fly anywhere that is legal to fly. Meaning if I smash into a car in a mall parking lot, am I covered? Or does coverage only carry to designated flying areas. If it covers anywhere, I'll be all over that coverage.
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I'm just wondering if this will cover you to fly anywhere that is legal to fly. Meaning if I smash into a car in a mall parking lot, am I covered? Or does coverage only carry to designated flying areas. If it covers anywhere, I'll be all over that coverage.
If you are flying at a site where it is legal, you are covered. That's as clear as anything in AMA policy, which given the general muddiness of it does deserve some questioning. The material emailed by Ms. Hager is ambiguous on a related point - it doesn't state specifically that members under the proposed program can fly at AMA chartered club sites, but only refers to yet-to-be-established E-flying sites.
If you have a problem with people flying at other than 'designated flying areas,' be advised that half of AMA members do not belong to clubs.
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60 mph is kinda low. The speed limit makes perfect sense but Alot of park flyer do well into the 80's on up, how do they propos enforcing this? My zagi is about 1.8 lbs and does around 75. it did a hair under 70 stock
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I think it is a step in the right direction as far as the price and the ins coverage is concerned but I dont like all the restrictions.
I dont feel special fields need to be created for park flyers there is no reason they cant use existing sites also there is no fair way to enforce speed and weight restrictions that I can see.
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I am philosophically against the idea of tiered memberships, I hark back to the old days when we flew all kinds of airplanes, across disciplines, and I hate to see lines drawn. I am glad to see some thinking about all this, as I have the naive view that the AMA ought to the organization for all model aviation.
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I don't know..... For over 50% of the dues you get:
20% of the liability insurance. 0% of the medical 0% of the theft Can't fly at any AMA field. Can't enter any sanctioned contests. Some non-existant E power fields
Doesn't look like a good bargain to me. Maybe at U$20 or even less.
Fritz
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