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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 4:18:16 PM   
proline8000


 

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Status: offline 		Roby,
I have known you for over 20 years and worked with you for over 13 years what do you think if we were in a product review and we had a question on quality and we stated:



2. "Is there really any evidence of quality there, or is it strictly geared to the bottom line of Hobbico, and therefore the company song that you feel the need to sing?" I guess the evidence of quality is in repetitive sales and the existance of the company--I mean, there is a building, a warehouse, a parking lot for all the employee's cars and lots of people inside that have jobs to go to every day. None of that would exist if it wasn't for a product that had a demand and customers who purchase those products. To take your question to the extreme, I guess that isn't necessarily evidence of quality, but I believe it is.


We would be fired. If you have this attitude in R & D you have no chance of ever turning out a quality product no mater what you design. Now we know why ARF's are of so little quality...... I have a few ARF's and one thing they lack is quality. They fly well and assemble quickly, and mostly are cost effective


Mike

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 4:33:12 PM   
Roby


 

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Status: offline 		Hi Mike ,

I didn't know you were following this thread. Haven't seen
you for awhile . How's the new job ?


By the way.......WELL SAID.


Regards,
Roby

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 4:35:09 PM   
rceric


 

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Status: offline 		If your like me you are willing to accept that the ARF may not be the best example of quality. I am a flyer not a builder.. Why? Because I suck at it and I don't have the time or patience. I am willing to accept this "lack" of quality because it is better than anything I can build. I just got my Giant and it sure looks good to me. I can't wait to put her together and the little bit of extra work to get things fitted and fixed up right is just the right amount of work for me to make it feel like my own.

Just my 2 cents...





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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 5:40:30 PM   
jrf


 

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Status: offline 		Proline and Roby:

1) The "quality" level, by any reasonable definition, varies dramatically among the available range of ARFs.

2) Quality has a different definition for every user of the word.

Please give us your definition of quality so that we can understand where you are coming from.

Jim

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 6:08:53 PM   
pilot727


 

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Status: offline 		ARF's sure are much better then ever before, im not a builder either and i love my arf's, some are great some are not but you must admit most are pretty well made, no doubt a kit is better if the builder is a good builder but the time spent on them, well i will stick with the arf and be happy they make a plane for the non builder, i bought a great planes cap 232 and it is top of the line, strong landing gear and a very beautiful airplane and the price is right

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 6:33:11 PM   
Roby


 

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I'm quite sure it will fly very nice for you and I
wish you well with it.

Let me suggest just a few "simple" items that may make
this airplane a bit more durable.

1. glass the indside of the paper thin cowl.
2. add a wing saddle doubler of 1/4 hard balsa
(this need to be done in 4 pieces ,F3 gets in the way)
3. add 2 pieces of 1/4 square hard balsa to F3
(one each side)you then use it as a handle when the
fuselage is inverted and it won't break.
4. use good quality 4 inch (min) tires on the main gear
(you won't be able to use the pants)
5. unless you feel like doing a little work your stuck
with a poor excuse for a tail wheel assembly.
6. add some triangular stock to at least F2 and F4
on both sides and to F3 on one side.

The reasons:
1. if you don't do #1 you might be replacing or repairing
it because of item 4 (nose overs)
2. items 2,3 and 6 will keep the sides of the fuselage
from flexing like a wet noodle.
3. the tail wheel mounting is weak (typical of most ARF's)

That's the simple stuff that shouldn't take too much effort.

By the way ,once you install the servo's in the tail, chances are
your antenna wire won't go past the end of the tube. The servo
is in the way. Easy fix , slide back the servo, push in the antenna.

I've spared you the nasty stuff.

It fly's great, have fun

Regards,
Roby





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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 6:47:04 PM   
jrf


 

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quote:

Let me suggest just a few "simple" items that may make
this airplane a bit more durable.

1. glass the indside of the paper thin cowl.
2. add a wing saddle doubler of 1/4 hard balsa
(this need to be done in 4 pieces ,F3 gets in the way)
3. add 2 pieces of 1/4 square hard balsa to F3
(one each side)you then use it as a handle when the
fuselage is inverted and it won't break.
4. use good quality 4 inch (min) tires on the main gear
(you won't be able to use the pants)
5. unless you feel like doing a little work your stuck
with a poor excuse for a tail wheel assembly.
6. add some triangular stock to at least F2 and F4
on both sides and to F3 on one side.

The reasons:
1. if you don't do #1 you might be replacing or repairing
it because of item 4 (nose overs)
2. items 2,3 and 6 will keep the sides of the fuselage
from flexing like a wet noodle.
3. the tail wheel mounting is weak (typical of most ARF's)


So if I fly from a hard surface runway, I don't need to do those things and I can save the weight?

Jim

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 8:56:56 PM   
Roby


 

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I guess so. If you are really concerned about the
small amount of weight that would be added
and you want to keep weight down then let me
suggest the following;

Skip the spinner,cowl canopy,and pants.
As an added bonus then go to smaller wheels
all around. For extra credit you can get some
5mm wire,(3/6) and bend up a new landing gear
set that uses on 1 leg instead of 2.

As for me I'm actually adding weight on the CG
so my plane will have more mass. It's too light.

I guess it all depends on what you want.

Roby

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/5/2007 11:55:49 PM   
jrf


 

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quote:

As for me I'm actually adding weight on the CG
so my plane will have more mass. It's too light.


Wow, never heard that one before! (Except for slope racers.) Do you fly in a very high wind area?

Anyhow, you and Proline made some fairly broad statements about the quality of the Giant SS, which seem to be at odds with the majority opinion. I'm just trying to find out what the basis of your statements was. Maybe the rest of us are missing something.

So far, you feel that the main wheels are too small and the tailwheel is too weak for grass fields, and the cowl is too thin to survive noseovers. Oh yeah, and it doesn't have a handle so you can carry the fuselage upside down with the wing off.

What was the "nasty stuff"?

Jim

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 2:01:36 AM   
gnirwin



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Status: offline 		I bought a DL 50 earlier this summer and I followed the manufacturer's recomendation of mounting the engine on an airframe while breaking it in. I mounted mine on a rather large airframe that has airfoiled tail surfaces and the engine literally shook the hell out of the plane for quite some time while I ran about 2 gallons of fuel through it. I could only imagine how a smaller and a little more fragile plane like the SS would do under those conditions and if the tail blew off after a couple of flights how could anyone blame it on "poor quality". I just don't think a plane like this was ever designed for that kind of abuse.


< Message edited by gnirwin -- 12/6/2007 2:41:16 AM >

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 2:09:32 AM   
SBrian



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Status: offline 		So, Roby, do you work for Hanger 9. The way you bash the SS makes it sound like you work for the competition!

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 2:17:51 AM   
SBrian



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Status: offline 		Help me understand why you would put a DL50 in the SS? Manufacture recommends 2+ HP motor and from what I'm hearing from this forum guys are stuffing 5HP motors in the SS? I would think it would pull the plane apart! Help me here would you...

Steve

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 2:19:09 AM   
krproton



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Status: offline 		(gnirwin, hello. The largest spark-ignition the giant Super Sportster is rated for is 32cc. I guess you weren't necessarily suggesting putting that 50cc engine on a giant Sportster, but just in case...)

Tim

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 2:44:07 AM   
gnirwin



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Status: offline 		no. i wasn't suggesting it, like I said, I think a 50 cc engine would be "way over the top" but people are going to do it no matter what i or anyone else is going tell them and when they do I hope they at least go in and beef the plane up.

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 2:46:26 AM   
jrf


 

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Status: offline 		Back in post 238, CB36 said he is going to put a DL 50 on the Giant SS. What do you think? Did you test it with a 50cc? Why not?

If it shakes, blows, scares the tail off, I'll bet your customer service people get an irate call about the lousy "quality" of the Giant SS.

Jim

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RE: New Giant GP Super Sportster!!!!! - 12/6/2007 3:18:17 AM