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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/5/2009 12:14 AM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/5/2009 6:59 PM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/8/2009 7:02 PM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 4:17 AM   
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Status: online 		Hi Katman,
I think I saw one of your quick works of art on the RCG post. Can you tell me what brushes you use and where you found the patterns that you used? It looked pretty nice. Regarding the trading of setup information for aircraft, the answer to your question is yes it can be readily shared. The sharing of setup and tweaks for the Rex-450 heli is an example. There's probably a setup file for each aircraft that be copied across just like the images.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 5:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		This might be common knowledge but, is there a repository somewhere of any additional planes or instructions on creating planes for FSOne?

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 8:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no repository, but you can read up on how to modify an existing design, resize it, or change some other characteristic...
http://www.inertiasoft.com/fsonefaq/index.html
You'll have to read through the FAQ's to find info about resizing. Then just a few posts ago there was a discussion about repainting planes/heli's.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 8:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, ok then but, nothing for getting or creating new models like the T-28 or any of the other new Horizon models? That seems unfortunate.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 8:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well it is unfortunate, but I can only assume that the process is complicated getting the physics correct, but I really have no idea.

About the only thing you can do is take an existing model, get it close to the correct size and get the power equipment dialied in. Lastly repaint it to look like what you want. It is far from ideal.

It would make sense from a marketing perspective to put out the Horizon models in the sim, but I'm guessing there's some snag preventing them from doing this.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 8:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		what they need to do is tell everyone. that more add on discs are on there way or tell us the sim is dead in the water so we can move on to something else. instead of flogging a dead horse.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 9:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think anyone (company) in their right mind would bin a program as technically good as FSOne. What a waste that would be. I'm sure that when things are looking better, they can invest the manpower and resources necessary to produce new sim models that are up to the same physics standards as the existing ones.

But regardless I'm to this day glad I chose this sim.

Surely they would want to release new Hangar 9 and E-flite sim planes (in part to promote those products), but until they can be certain when that will happen, you can see why they can't go saying something prematurely. They must know that they cannot go for very long like this before sales dry up entirely despite how good the sim itself is.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 9:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		the money matters that are going on cant be anything to do with a new release as we have been waiting for a long while. but i just think it is strange as they design the planes & make the planes and they made a sim so why the long wait for some new planes. i would be happy to pay for new downloads.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 9:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not using the sim to promote their own planes is, in my opinion, a huge misstep on their part. When you can download and install a reasonably close (no not close like it was designed by an aeronautical engineer or anything) representation of a Horizon model in a competing simulator months or years after the actual aircraft have been released I would say that's pretty much an admission of, if nothing else, that they don't believe the sim is a valid marketing tool or they don't think they'll get enough market penetration with the product to compete against the currently dominant product(s).

I love the sim, they need to invest in it.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 9:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		All we can do is guess based on what we know. And one thing we know is that it's ludicrous to develop something like that and then just abandon it. No one would do that unless absolutely forced to do so. And my guess is that initially there must have been (putting it very generally) some kind of organizational issue. And then the economy woes creeped up and eventually beat down the door. So one thing after another perhaps.

I think something must come eventually. That's just my belief based on what we know (and assuming that someone at Horizon Hobby has a brain, which I'm sure is true).


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 11:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps but given that they don't appear to be hurting in other areas I'm of the opinion that it's probably more of an internal political issue. They're developing and selling new planes, helicopters and cars but haven't touched the sim since hangar pack 1. While in the meantime the competition has released, I believe, three major revisions. To me that sounds a lot like whoever it was at the executive level that was backing the product either left or he or the product fell from the graces of the majority. This is all conjecture of course but, it makes better sense to me than the cost being the real issue.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/9/2009 11:43 PM   
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Perhaps but given that they don't appear to be hurting in other areas I'm of the opinion that it's probably more of an internal political issue. .....

It could be many things and anything is possible, but just should mention for example that Horizon has discontinued the 90 size ShowTime which is a much loved plane. To me that's an indication that sales are hurting and they are being forced to downsize. So even if the plane is popular, they are having to stick with the smaller size ShowTimes which might be marginally more profitable.

They might not be in dire straights but consumers are adjusting their spending habits.

Could be just an executive decision. Also I think that most if not all of the developers have entirely different day jobs. I recall that Selig is prof of aeronautical engineering or something and has been involved in all sorts of projects. So that can complicate things. Who knows.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/10/2009 12:05 AM   
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It could be many things and anything is possible, but just should mention for example that Horizon has discontinued the 90 size ShowTime which is a much loved plane. To me that's an indication that sales are hurting and they are being forced to downsize. So even if the plane is popular, they are having to stick with the smaller size ShowTimes which might be marginally more profitable.

They might not be in dire straights but consumers are adjusting their spending habits.


Yes, or it could be an indication that they're getting ready to release a new version of the 90 size. You could be right though and they simply see a shift in their growing or stable markets to a different demographic of consumer than is inclined to buy into the 90 size.


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Could be just an executive decision. Also I think that most if not all of the developers have entirely different day jobs. I recall that Selig is prof of aeronautical engineering or something and has been involved in all sorts of projects. So that can complicate things. Who knows.


I suppose that sort of thing could complicate development but, when a client plunks down a wad of cash people tend to adjust their schedules pretty quickly.

Is it just me or should we just IM :-)


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/10/2009 12:12 AM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/10/2009 1:00 AM   
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Maybe our speculation has started to irritate them and they'll just tell us.



That would be refreshing :-)

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RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies - 3/10/2009 7:09 PM   
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RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies - 3/10/2009 7:33 PM   
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They have it listed for $99 now.

Yeah knocking down the price to 99 happened sometime end of last summer or during last fall as I recall. Good move all things considered. A more or less fair price for a quality sim which is not evolving currently.


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RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies - 3/11/2009 9:50 AM   
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They have it listed for $99 now.

Yeah knocking down the price to 99 happened sometime end of last summer or during last fall as I recall. Good move all things considered. A more or less fair price for a quality sim which is not evolving currently.



Hey didn't Service Merchandise have a 50% off sale just before they went out of business?

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RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies - 3/11/2009 10:55 AM   
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Hey didn't Service Merchandise have a 50% off sale just before they went out of business?

Sounds like you're implying that they might be liquidating inventory? But I don't see how it necessarily relates to dropping the price of a software package which has been around for a while and is now essentially just a CD and $20 controller. If there is no firm date for updates (and if they want to get around to that in future), then makes sense to drop the price for now to keep it in the market. All they have to do in mean time is produce CD's and cheap controllers to supply (assuming that all parties with legal rights to it agree with the strategy like the developers). The price has been at 99 for half a year or more.

As for prices generally, Horizon has actually significantly raised the prices of some products recently (like the 50 size ShowTime for example, after discontinuing the 90).


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/11/2009 11:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you really think $100 is a fair price for a sim that doesn't seem to have a future. And has it really shown enough support from the community to shore up it's look of failure? There are a number of really old race sims that are still around. But the ones still around have large, active followings. There are people pumping out new paintjobs for the original cars, AND there are people making new cars (new 3D shapes required) with appropriate physics, PLUS there are people making add-on tracks to race on. Some of those surviving race sims are twice the size now. And have multi websites providing new content. Is that happening with FSOne?

What FSOne needs now isn't more fanboys giving it lip service. It needs some active users who're providing new content. It needs to show some life from a self sustaining community.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/11/2009 12:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		daRock: I'll say a few things and then let sleeping dogs lie.

You're a moderator. This is a thread for people with questions about FSOne, not a thread called "debate on what's a good sim".

If we're fan boys, it's for a good reason. FSOne is a technically superb sim with or without mountains of addons and planes. And it's those mountains of addons that generate much of the community activity you speak of. And further, I've found that most FSOne users are quite low key anyway. There's not much to say except it's an excellent sim (unless the owner of another sim jumps in and starts debating that with you "because it does not have oodles of addons" which is often the case).



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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/11/2009 12:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had FS but will never use it again. My stock adapter got ate, and you would not believe the crap to replace it. It was a gift no reciept right there. Done. No customer help for me!! They implied to me that the 2 player (it's a player 2 adapter) two can't play on it. you still have to have the stock adapter. I begged, pleaded, tried to pay for a new stock replacement. I spent 140$ on that sim over 3.5 months and that's it, no replacement, no help, noda!! Threw the software dics away cause they are useless now. I will never buy anything Hangar 9 ever again. The absolute worst customer service I have ever seen.

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