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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/13/2008 7:47:00 PM   
Gargoyle


 

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Status: offline 		Let me correct myself, I didn’t mean that every aircraft on G4 flies exactly the same, for example the flat outs do not fly the same as the Yak 54 or the gliders, but I do not notice any negligible difference between like Aircraft, for example the Yak, extra, and Cap 232.
My friend who has never even flown an R/C airplane took off flew around and landed the Cap 232. The bulldog, spacewalker and sportster all fly like trainers. I have a Great Planes Spacewalker and although it is a gentle floating airframe it is nowhere near as easy to fly as the G4 version. The G4 spacewalker reminds me more of Kadet Sr.
By the way I spent 3 hours last night practicing with G4. At one point I made a high speed low pass with the Bulldog, I pulled up hard and hit the tail on the ground, breaking off the left side horizontal stab. I tuned around, landed took of again and flew around for another 10 minutes and the missing horizontal stab made no noticeable difference in the flight characteristics, even during loops and rolls. I also had a hard landing with the Extra and broke off the right main gear. I just gave it some gas fed in some left aileron and I was back in the air in about 5 feet.
Don’t get me wrong I’ve only been flying for 7 years and I’m not a 3-D pilot, but I have been an aircraft technician for 18 years. I do know a LITTLE about Aerodynamics and theory of flight… I do have fun with G-4 and I do think it is a fine simulator (it does a lot of things that FS One can’t). I just personally find that FS One is a much more realistic simulator. Most hard landings on FS One break off the prop forcing you to reset. Just so you don’t think I only fly one type of aircraft, I have owned or have flown a GP Spacewalker, GP Reactor, GP, Giant U-Can-Do, GP P-51, GP Patriot, GP Gee-Bee, Sig Rascal 40, H-9 Twists 40 + 60, H-9 Ultra-stick 40, H-9 1.20 Size Cap 232, and an Aeroworks 1.20 size Yak 54. These and the many trainers from the H-9 Alpha, Goldberg Eagle, and Sig Kadet to Goldberg Tiger 60 and H-9 Advance ALL fly completely different. If you look closely you will see that I have been a long time fan and supporter of Great Planes products, this does not mean that I can not be objective about the products I purchase. I'm not about to appologise to people for my oppinion just because they don't like to here negative comments about the product they puchased.
I'ts only my opinion NOT a personal Attack..

George

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/13/2008 7:50:32 PM   
Quinoa


 

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Status: offline 		Does FSOne work with windows vista 64 bits?

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/13/2008 11:21:55 PM   
da Rock



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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gargoyle

Let me correct myself, I didn’t mean that every aircraft on G4 flies exactly the same, for example the flat outs do not fly the same as the Yak 54 or the gliders, but I do not notice any negligible difference between like Aircraft, for example the Yak, extra, and Cap 232.
My friend who has never even flown an R/C airplane took off flew around and landed the Cap 232. The bulldog, spacewalker and sportster all fly like trainers. I have a Great Planes Spacewalker and although it is a gentle floating airframe it is nowhere near as easy to fly as the G4 version. The G4 spacewalker reminds me more of Kadet Sr.
By the way I spent 3 hours last night practicing with G4. At one point I made a high speed low pass with the Bulldog, I pulled up hard and hit the tail on the ground, breaking off the left side horizontal stab. I tuned around, landed took of again and flew around for another 10 minutes and the missing horizontal stab made no noticeable difference in the flight characteristics, even during loops and rolls. I also had a hard landing with the Extra and broke off the right main gear. I just gave it some gas fed in some left aileron and I was back in the air in about 5 feet.
Don’t get me wrong I’ve only been flying for 7 years and I’m not a 3-D pilot, but I have been an aircraft technician for 18 years. I do know a LITTLE about Aerodynamics and theory of flight… I do have fun with G-4 and I do think it is a fine simulator (it does a lot of things that FS One can’t). I just personally find that FS One is a much more realistic simulator. Most hard landings on FS One break off the prop forcing you to reset. Just so you don’t think I only fly one type of aircraft, I have owned or have flown a GP Spacewalker, GP Reactor, GP, Giant U-Can-Do, GP P-51, GP Patriot, GP Gee-Bee, Sig Rascal 40, H-9 Twists 40 + 60, H-9 Ultra-stick 40, H-9 1.20 Size Cap 232, and an Aeroworks 1.20 size Yak 54. These and the many trainers from the H-9 Alpha, Goldberg Eagle, and Sig Kadet to Goldberg Tiger 60 and H-9 Advance ALL fly completely different. If you look closely you will see that I have been a long time fan and supporter of Great Planes products, this does not mean that I can not be objective about the products I purchase. I'm not about to appologise to people for my oppinion just because they don't like to here negative comments about the product they puchased.
I'ts only my opinion NOT a personal Attack..

George



Nothing of the sort assumed.

It was stated the models were all made with the same performance parameters. Nothing to assume, and no attempt at interpreting motives or reasons or experience. The statement was that all the planes fly the same.

Examples of pairs that demonstrate widely varied performance do nothing more than illustrate the opposite.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/13/2008 11:31:57 PM   
Gargoyle


 

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I have FS One running on my laptop with Windows Vista, and I have not experienced any problems as of yet.

George

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/14/2008 1:55:07 AM   
mflander


 

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Status: offline 		That breaking off an elevator comment got me thinking about some of the stuff we do on G4.... I work at the LHS part time, and we always have fun on the simulators. We have spent many hours seeing who can break off the most stuff on an airplane and keep flying. With the pitts python, I have personally broken everything except for one half of one wing, and one elevator half, and been able to fly it around.

One other thing we just noticed the other day on G4, you can break off your rudder and the rudder will still be usable(You will get some minor rudder control by using the stick).

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/23/2008 3:13:02 AM   
Michaelh


 

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Status: offline 		I dont know if it works with 64bit Quinoa But here some little info on Vista http://www.fsone.com/Support/tm.aspx?m=143

Now Im having issues with mine. I changed the Sim rate down and now I can not get it back to 1.00 It seems I can barely get the slider to scroll down the drop list. Then Im lucky if I put the mouse on the right pixel to light up 0.50 putting it on 1.00 does nothing.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/23/2008 3:15:30 AM   
sctholson


 

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Status: offline 		Mike,
I've posted on this before. I'll see if I can search for the post and link to it
Scott H

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/23/2008 3:17:40 AM   
sctholson


 

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Status: offline 		Here you go Mike:

Adjust the Sim Rate Multiplier. Open the program, click on the options button, click on the physics button and click on the field that is indicated by the Sim Rate Multiplier and change this to anything less than 1.00. Now on my computer this field doesn't work exactly as it should, but you'll likely get one of these settings, so try it.
To change it back, I did the following:
Close the program, Open a windows explorer window and navigate as follows: C drive to Program files to FSOne to Options and then double click on the Options.txt file. This will open a text file, scroll down to Realtime and change the setting next to Rate Multiplier to 1.00, save and close the file.
Run FSOne again and the Sim Rate Multiplier will be back at the default setting of 1.00.
Scott H

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/23/2008 3:42:51 AM   
Michaelh


 

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Status: offline 		Sweet! Much apreciated! Its been in slow mo a couple days now. Thanks for the help!

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 5/31/2008 12:53:05 AM   
sctholson


 

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Status: offline 		Can anyone help with modification tips for the Tirbute 3d?

Whenever I perform a right wing down knife edge the plane wants to circle as if I'm holding the down elevator. Is this normal? or is this abnormal?

I've heard of the concept of mixing in airplanes, is this what it should be used for?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Scott H

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 6/3/2008 3:51:52 AM   
FrankFuss


 

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Status: offline 		Roll and pitch coupling during knife-edge flight is not unusual. Mixing can be used for a lot of different reasons. One of the uses is for mixing out roll and pitch coupling during knife-edge flight. I never did figure out how to do this using just the FS One simulated transmitters, which can perform many other mixes. This all has to do with the mixing profile required. I do use the FS One transmitter setting for everything else, but for Rudder to Elevator or Aileron mixing I use the mixing functions on my JR XP8103 transmitter that I use for the FS One controller.

Frank

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 6/9/2008 9:56:59 PM   
BOUND_4_HELL



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Status: offline 		Hello FS One fans,

I have not read all of the 64 pages in this form but have read about half of them. It sound like the FS One has more realistic physics but the user interface is more clunky. I can live with a clunky interface as I’m computer literate and the more realistic physics is what I'm looking for, as the G3.5 is way easier that real life flying. And it also sounds like new G4 did not improve the physics over the G3.5.

If I could do all the things I do in Real Flight G3.5 then I would be the RC word champion in Real Life. LOL !!! Take a look a simulation video I made with a P-6E Hawk. In real life the Hawk really sucks at aerobatics and could not even begin to pull off some the moves the sim lets you get away with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYQGS4k4Yg8

So I'm going to pick an FS One simulator up at my Hobby store to improve my real life flying skills. But I need to know one thing and if it does not have it, it will be a deal breaker.

Does FS One have a "KEEP GROUND IN VIEW" mode ?? , as I'm one of those pilots who needs to see the horizon.

Thanks
Bound_4_Hell

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 6/9/2008 10:44:10 PM   
CloudSkipper


 

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Does FS One have a "KEEP GROUND IN VIEW" mode ?? , as I'm one of those pilots who needs to see the horizon.

Yes. The view mode that I use "Lagged/Shifted 1" keeps the ground in view (short of letting plane go off camera).

I don't recall how many variations of the ground in view mode there is, because I never change from the mode that I use.

You don't get pampered with variety (at least not as of yet), but it's worth it if I you want a serious sim for airplanes. If you're into aerobatics, the ShowTime 50 that comes in the expansion pack is a lot of fun as well... the little Brio is a blast too.


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