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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/11/2009 12:42 PM   
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I'm don't know whether you need a receipt or not as well to get the replacement, but that could be the case.



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RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies - 3/11/2009 3:49 PM   
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Hey didn't Service Merchandise have a 50% off sale just before they went out of business?

Sounds like you're implying that they might be liquidating inventory? But I don't see how it necessarily relates to dropping the price of a software package which has been around for a while and is now essentially just a CD and $20 controller. If there is no firm date for updates (and if they want to get around to that in future), then makes sense to drop the price for now to keep it in the market. All they have to do in mean time is produce CD's and cheap controllers to supply (assuming that all parties with legal rights to it agree with the strategy like the developers). The price has been at 99 for half a year or more.

As for prices generally, Horizon has actually significantly raised the prices of some products recently (like the 50 size ShowTime for example, after discontinuing the 90).



The implication being that a price drop doesn't necessarily equate to a good thing.

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RE: FS one by Horizon Hobbies - 3/11/2009 4:41 PM   
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The implication being that a price drop doesn't necessarily equate to a good thing.

Yeah I was only surprised with comparison to a whole retailer going under. This is just one product. And the price drop is 6 months old. There was speculation when it happened but the product is still there listed.

I could turn out to be wrong.

And even if I'm right (in my belief that it's rather implausible for them to just bin the whole thing), I'm not necessarily saying the price drop is a good sign. I'm just describing one interpretation because people wonder about it. Things are obviously not running smoothly over there when code that took years of development is just sitting there untouched (it was at least 2 years in development (not to be quoted) as I recall before introduction).



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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/11/2009 4:45 PM   
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It was a gift no reciept right there. Done. No customer help for me!!
I spent 140$ on that sim over 3.5 months and that's it, no replacement, no help, noda!!
I will never buy anything Hangar 9 ever again.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/11/2009 10:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		100 for the sim, 30 for the new adapter(which didn't work), and the 10 in gas getting the adapter. And it takes the reciept and the broken piece. Support was supposed to tell me if the other adapter would work or not and they never did so i bought it, so I got a sim I can't use, and adapter I can't use, and a bad taste for hangar 9. Offered to purchase the stock one, at a handsome price, just so me and the boy could fly on it and they said nope. I got a player 2 adapter for sale if anyone is interested.

FSONE is a joke, along with hangar 9


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/12/2009 12:46 AM   
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100 for the sim, 30 for the new adapter(which didn't work), and the 10 in gas getting the adapter. And it takes the reciept and the broken piece. Support was supposed to tell me if the other adapter would work or not and they never did so i bought it, so I got a sim I can't use, and adapter I can't use, and a bad taste for hangar 9. Offered to purchase the stock one, at a handsome price, just so me and the boy could fly on it and they said nope. I got a player 2 adapter for sale if anyone is interested.

FSONE is a joke, along with hangar 9



Hmmm.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/16/2009 5:51 AM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/16/2009 7:58 AM   
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Question: when making a copy of a plane and changing propellors from a 2-blade to a 3-blade, should the model show a 3-blade ? I still see a 2-blade propeller ?


No. That can be (or could be) changed in the graphics source TGA's. Somewhere in the past few pages was talk of changing plane paint schemes. I've tried fiddling with the propeller graphics. Never quite got it sorted out.

But for example, if on the Alpha40 or PTS P51, if you change from the 3 blade trainer prop to 11x6, you should notice the extra kick in acceleration, speed and easier gliding. Btw that particular three blade (on the Alpha, F22 and PTS P51 ) is a really different animal fyi in case you weren't aware. The PTS props are really different (should state that within fsone).


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/21/2009 6:19 PM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/21/2009 6:31 PM   
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Keep in mind, it has good physics and will teach you to fly. If you're looking for lot's of planes than maybe not.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/21/2009 7:01 PM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/21/2009 7:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well having no other sim, I only use FSOne, so my experiences are limited. If your equipment meets the minumum, that certainly helps, No matter you would need to have the latest audio and video card driver updates, but once it is installed, there are no problems.

I will say that if you do a lot of aircraft modification you can develop some issues, but then all you need to do is go back to the original version of the plane or heli. In extremely rare cases the original was affected, but I personally think that happened as a result of hard drive issues and not the software. FSone can be fussy for some users, as noted in a post several pages ago, but that too may have other outstanding issues.

One thing that's important to note, Horizon Hobby is very careful with their copy protection/software usage rules. This can be used on as many computers as you want, but you'll have to take the USB dongle to each computer. There is no substitute for the dongle. On and another thing, very important, when you get the software installed and running register it with Horizon.

Good that you are checking these things out.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/21/2009 7:33 PM   
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been reading the thread an hear about software probloms

Well more like "developer problems" than "software problems". The software works very well. We're just speculating as to why there has not been new planes added or new features in quite a while. And speculating whether Horizon will ever make anything new for it. I personally believe they will when whatever obstacles they've had in getting the work done are out of the way. The whole thing is somewhat of a paradox because the sim is very good. Big mystery at the moment though.

Good luck in your decision. If you have questions, ask away.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/24/2009 5:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I went back to using my FS One to give myself some practise with helis. It didn't take me long to remember why I stopped using it a few months ago. So many problems with this simulator.

It might be worth it's current $100 price, but since I was one of the early purchasers at twice that, I feel totally ripped off. Still no proper support, the few patches have been one step forward, one step back. For example, ip until the most recent patch the sound was fine for me, now it regularily cuts out. I have absolutely no other problems with sound on the dozens of games I have played on this pc.

The transmitter is a pain to use - literaly. I don't expect a lot from an included tranmitter, but I don't expect it to be this bad. For some reason it doesn't fit my hands at all, and the quality of the stick mechanism is a joke, my left stick makes groaning sounds and isn't smooth.

The physics on the aircraft are reasonable, not great. The physics on the helicopters are a joke. I bought the hanger pack addon so I could fly the T-Rex 450, the physics are so bad I never used it after the first day.

For other Horizon products I've been very satisfied with the support, but they really dropped the ball with FS One.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/24/2009 7:01 AM   
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I bought the hanger pack addon so I could fly the T-Rex 450, the physics are so bad I never used it after the first day.
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The T-Rex 450 is a disaster. Perplexes me how such a horribly set-up model got in there (apparently 2 or so of the other helis are similar). SO many people bought the Hangar Pack just for the T-Rex. The T-Rex heli model ranks just behind dropping the ball with updates as mistakes go.

It is true that Horizon committed a cardinal sin in the software industry. They produced a "high-end, high priced software product" and then just left it (or so it seems so far). They have not honored the customers' investments with a continuous pipeline of updates as is the norm. Very bad thing to do.


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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/25/2009 2:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Guys,

Here are the adjustments to make the Trex in the sim fly like others think it should http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8429659/anchors_8473722/mpage_1/key_heli%252Csettings/anchor/tm.htm#8473722 . I don't know anything about those buzz saws so I can't tell you if they're good or not! A couple of guys had said they were bang on so it may be worth a try.

Malcolm, I can empathize with you because I also paid the higher price but I use my Tx rather than theirs. You should try using your Tx rather than the one that came with the program ...it's not too hard to do. It would be nice to see some action from Horizon. I thought that with the price drop they would be making more sales and then the support and refinement would come on, but not much sign of it. I thought of going to one of the other ones but reading their threads they all seem to have some issues. FS One does take a lot of bashing.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 3/25/2009 6:10 AM   
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Hi Guys,

Here are the adjustments to make the Trex in the sim fly like others think it should http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8429659/anchors_8473722/mpage_1/key_heli%252Csettings/anchor/tm.htm#8473722 . I don't know anything about those buzz saws so I can't tell you if they're good or not! A couple of guys had said they were bang on so it may be worth a try.

Malcolm, I can empathize with you because I also paid the higher price but I use my Tx rather than theirs. You should try using your Tx rather than the one that came with the program ...it's not too hard to do. It would be nice to see some action from Horizon. I thought that with the price drop they would be making more sales and then the support and refinement would come on, but not much sign of it. I thought of going to one of the other ones but reading their threads they all seem to have some issues. FS One does take a lot of bashing.

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Thanks Dave, I have tried the mods to the Trex. It did improve things, but not enough.

I may end up using my transmitter with FS One, if I don't end up buying another sim. Based on my experience with Real Flight 4.5 for airplanes (poor physics) I wrote it off for helis as well, but a club member who is an excellent heli flyer highly recommended it - provided you use some of the tweaked models you can download for it. So I may give that a try. But I would prefer to wait until the next generation of flight sims.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 4:49 AM   
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Status: online 		A club member is selling his copy of FS One for $50. I've got an HP laptop with 1.73ghz processor and .99gb of ram. Should I buy it, or am I asking for troubles?

I have FMS and absolutely hate it. I need practice for F3A maneuvers.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 5:48 AM   
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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 1:23 PM   
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Status: online 		Thanks. It does come with a controller. My computer is right at the minimum specs and I don't know much about video cards. I was hoping someone else has been running the same sim with the bare minimum requirements and could talk about how well it worked.

FMS was great to learn coordination. I used it for about 2 weeks until I flew a real plane, then that was pretty much the end of it.

Not going to buy a new computer just for a flight sim.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 1:42 PM   
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Could your buddy give you the opportunity to try it in your machine first, just to verify capability?
He could install it himself, in order to avoid any claims about CD damage.
If not good, you can just uninstall the program; you could not use it without the peripherial that comes with the cable anyhow.

I have FSOne, but I believe it is limited for practicing F3A maneuvers.
The physics are awesome, but the selection of models are far from F3A; mostly 3D, scale and sport.
The only F3A is a small electric, which I have scaled up to two meters, which performs well, but that is the only one.

The price is good, though.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 2:18 PM   
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I figured a decent F3A plane would be available for download by now. Guess I was wrong. I will see if I can try it before I buy it, but may just pass on the whole thing. F3A practice is my primary reason for getting a 'better' sim.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 4:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The F3A model is a Brio from E-Flite:

http://www.modelflight.com.au/eflite/eflite-brio_10.htm

The enlarged model I created flies better than I can.

There are also some models for IMAC.

I am not aware of available F3A downloads, you may want to check the FSOne website.

The good thing about this program is the possibility to scale and edit weight, power, servos, surfaces' deflections, etc. for each model.
That is something that I like to experiment with, since the possibilities are almost endless.

I still think the deal is good at half the regular price; just wait for other opinions here.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 5:02 PM   
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Any customizing you do, keep back ups of. For me, when I was customizing helicopters, and I got a model to fly like I wanted that was great. But I'm never satisfied, so I continued to tweak. One tweak too many and that model crashed FSOne. Once that happens, I had to start over from the stock model. Since I did not keep exact and specific notations on what I changed and how much, it was a chore to recreate what I liked.

My lesson was to keep backups, or rather Copy my model if I liked it before I made additional (and fatal) changes. By the way, there shouldn't be anything like a fatal change, I think what happened were software glitches within FSOne and the overcustomized model, but maybe that's an issue that doesn't matter. Once your model crashes FSOne, it has to be deleted.

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RE: FS One by Hangar 9 - 7/10/2009 5:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great advice, Scott, thank you.

Has not happened to me yet, and it is very good to know.

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