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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 12:39 AM   
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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 6:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		i got the nb16 metal gears. they do fit but.... i need longer dogbones now. The metal outdrives do fit but is about 1/4" to short. This buggy is starting to be a money pit.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 7:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		ohh cool, hmm this may mean new chassis for e chaos... i'm ordering some sheets of CF, may have to make one for the e chaos... get it a big longer, use a diff driveshaft...

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 1:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		hmmm longer dog bones by 1/4" try tamya dog bones from the 1/10th scale trucks. the ones I have from the blackfoot are about that much longer.


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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 5:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Lug, but at that point it ceases to be a Chaos, so I'm afraid we wont be allowing you on this thread anymore... I kid! But seriously, the NB assemblies sound quite promising. I'm pretty sure one of you enthusiasts will be able to locate the proper dogbones.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 6:22 PM   
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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 6:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I've pretty much given up running mine off road. As it stands I don't really have any gremlins when I keep it on the blacktop or concrete (it drifts pretty good on smooth basketball courts).
Next week my work is having a company picnic at Legg Lake / Whittier Narrows, and the flyer said there will be RC car races; Pretty informal, I gather...I'll probably do well to bring the little turd as a novelity, then pull out my big guns: a ten year old Ofna 1/8 Ultra MBX with new Picco .26 Max.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/23/2010 9:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im gonna do your diff oil mod and possibly lock the center one also. What shock oil do you use and whats the difference in the blue, yellow, and black springs?

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/27/2010 5:29 AM   
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gunna go play later...

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/27/2010 10:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		well i got downstairs around uhhh i think 11 30 and its now 2, almost got it all back together (reversed front and rear arms/hubs so gotta switch shock, and ball link sides, after almost 3 hours i was done) either way i got the pinions mounted in, i got a kinda hack way of keeping it all happy, pretty much i took, 2 small squares of paperboard from the packaging and i put it where the diff cases meet on the bottom to give the diff a little bit of room to get pushed back by the pinion and such i only did this on the bottom, and on the top i just left things a little loose, this is far from puerfect this is just me doing what feels pretty smooth (mesh on these pinions is a bit off but i'm hoping the rings will break in quickly). also should my paper diff spapacers not be enuf i was thinking about cutting out some paper washers to get the diff cases a bit longer pushing the ring gear away from the pinion to loosen up mesh, making something like these...

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLZT9&P=Z

this is when i wish i was still in high school this way i could walk into the tech ed room hop on a computer whip out a pair of cailpers get the ID and OD for that paper washer chaos spec, polp a old cereal box into the laser cutter hit print and watch the majic happen.... ahh rapid prototype how i love the....

i got somepics that i'll post up tommorow of the washers cuz now i'm in bed like fall alspeep hamming this out on my laptop... (i'm talking about diff case, not diff ring washers) also if you have the right screws you can attach the pinion to the output shaft i had these screws

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXUPX2&P=7

i think they're the same size as the ones that hold the ring gear to the diff case only machined threads vs plastic tapping, either way i foudn withe caps they would rub, on the diff case so i chose to run with out up, the pinoin nor the output isn't going anywhere, so i'm not worried,

as for the dog bones, being short, i was able to use a little well placed feul tubing to get the bones well centered in both the outdrives it takes a little trial and error, more with the rear center vs teh front center,
so yea i think i jsut wrote a book not really sure on a laptop like i said and the window is olddly small only like 10 lines of text which is probally a good thing.... either way any q's pust um up, and i'll put up pics of the washers then the assembly, (i had it stripped down to the motor and the battery plate/strap)

the hungery lug (its been like 7 hours since food i can be hungery)

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/27/2010 4:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Lug,

Spacing the diff cases further apart was a great idea! Hope everything works out well!

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/28/2010 8:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		well we finished things up today and it went very well

first thing my paper washers... first 1, i then trimmed them with a knife

sorry its kinda grainy but its a 100X better than it was before it hit the editor (btw the picasa online editor is super nice to have and very easy)

here's a pic of the rear tower bolted up, and my super nice dog bone holder


center diff in place


the front end all mounted up...


added servo arms and such...


then majically and RX ESC and rear end apears on there (i forgot to take a few pics along the way)


i knwo there isn't a ton on the outdives/pinions, i should've snagged a few more but didn't really think they were nessasary at the time but they would've been nice now that i'm posting stuff up... but its a pretty simple install like i said last nite, i'd set the bearings in the cases, (my front one got pulled out with the pinions) then pop the front pinion in holding that in place you should be able to get the outdrive in, they stay together decently, but can fall out, if you like hold it outdrive down it'll fall out...

but i did shoot some vid, its okay, there is a good bit of gear/motor noise but the e chaos has always had that...



was a bit squirly but it ran well, the diffs held up great, havn't pulled them apart yet, after the vid, but after some light running around in the basement, i took a peak, and they looked fine...

now i get to really focus on setting up the diffs, i gotta see about de bonding the ca locker job i did on the rear... i hope boiling watter doesn't mess up the plastic... spun a driveshaft in the hub... i guess the rears don't need feul tubing in the outdrives....


its a bad pic but you get the idea... thats why it was pulling one direction soo much in the vid under accel.

thats all i got for now btw the lipo vs that 8 cell AA nihm pack, LIPO wins soo much lighter

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/30/2010 8:17 AM   
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okay again

what did i say.... stupid RCU...

i got my outdrive upgraded found one from a trinity now they bolted on decently had to dremel down the flatspots a bit on the outputs from the diff wasn't too hard tho you gotta do it slow i went a bit too far so pics

sorry this ones a bit blurry



all bolted up



and then the diff pinion in the diff housign...



thats about it, no test running for a few days, ac PSU on charger died, but i'm being taken care of very nicely by guver, he's on RCU great prices and super duper top notch service, less than 24h on all emails and great to work with if you ever need a charger check out what he has for sale in the market place

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/30/2010 5:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Lug...I'm impressed with all of the wory you've done on the lil' critter! It's real dirty too.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/30/2010 5:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		worK, I meant work. The e-Chaos is comming along nicely. So what exactly are the ring and pinions, and what kind of lube are you using in there?

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/30/2010 7:17 PM   
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worK, I meant work. The e-Chaos is comming along nicely. So what exactly are the ring and pinions, and what kind of lube are you using in there?


i used these pinions
http://www.nitrotek.co.uk/metal-drive-gear-w-outdrive.html

and i just used a dab of black grease on the gears but not a ton...

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/30/2010 7:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good Find...those are the same as the Trinitys that have worked so well on mine. I think that they are 14 teeth vs. 12 stock, and they mesh way better than the crappy plastic ones.
Has anyone tried the Atomic metal outdrives???

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/31/2010 6:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		no but i i'm interested got a link
also i'm lookign at some from the NB 16 cuz of the dog bone size works better than the trinity that i have (one thats in latest pic set)

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 7/31/2010 3:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I got 30% fuel now, It runs and idles better. Still got a problem It dosnt like to start after it warms up(2nd tank), I got the temps around 170.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 8/4/2010 5:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Oracus...
Idle problem might be that the tiny idle adjustment screw is starting to strip-out. Mine did on my first Toki. This made it hard to hold a decent idle; engine was kinda wornout anyway, so I slammed-in Lugg's practically brand new one when he went to the Dark SidE.
I've really babied this motor, and if your running at 170 degrees, you might lean it out just a tad. I've noticed that even though these little nutz will run at a fairly wide range of settings, once you've found your sweet spot you can set it and forget it. Like I've said, the low idle is fairly critical to getting it to start easily; I run a Spectrum and Hitec, which maintain their integrity WAY BETTER than whatever that twitching radio equipment was that came over on the boat.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 8/5/2010 7:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The idle screw works still. The 1st start of the day it starts in one pull. I got idle set to when it starts it will idle and not move on the ground and if i give it some braking it doesn't die. The problem I'm having is on the 2nd tank or if it dies before its empty. It does not like to pull start, sometimes I can get it to start by turning the thr trim all the way up(Full open), then tuning it down once it starts to a nice idle. I tried not running the tank empty before refueling and have same results. Its annoying because i think the little guy will be fun, I added some larger wheels and tires, and lifted the suspension alittle bit and now have nearly 1 3/4 inches on ground clearance.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 8/5/2010 8:43 PM   
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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 8/6/2010 3:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I dont know what I did, but It ran good for 3 tanks. I was happy with it. So here is a few pics with the larger wheels , lift, and stock.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 8/6/2010 6:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice job. It was probably a small bubble in the line...
The little snausage looks cool w/ the reversed suspension and nose cut-off.
Run it on packed dirt, but not on grass unless it's really short like a golf green.

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RE: SPORTWERKS chaos 1/16 buggy - 8/13/2010 7:22 AM   
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