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Don't worry warbird_1 i'm on your side - 3/16/2002 3:19:08 AM   
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Warbird_1,
Don't worry about a thing. I got it taken care of. Hovering will be banned in due time worldwide. I got connections - its all who you know.....

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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 3:48:32 AM   
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Cmon dont quit now it is just getting fun!!


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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 3:53:41 AM   
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AAAAHHHHHH DON'T PUT UP ANY MORE HOVERING PICS JOHNNY!!
IF YOU DO I'M TELLING

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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 3:54:55 AM   
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Safety a big airplane hovering in close is safer than way up in the sky if you lose control of an airplane down low it has no place but to go to the ground. cant get very far when it is just above the ground. Can you tell me of how many incidents of an airplane hovering that was close to the ground go in the pits I have not heard of any but airplanes way up in the air out of control I have seen go in the pits a numerous amount of times. Hovering down low to the ground is not a danger ground is so close. And ego well I assume you have one as I said ego Has to do with the communication Problem if you will communicate and get along with the other pilots I will assure you there would be less of a problem EGO is a big factor think about it. and as I have said if other people are flying I try ro stay out of thier way and again if you have a spotter they can communicate you do not have to hover around all the flight and so one can hover then tell the spotters you want to do a low pass or what ever I sure would not have a problem with that would you. If you do you have an EGO problem. I am just trying to bring out the issues that cause some of the problems to try to remedy the situation. Again communication is the key again read what I have said and when you are at a flyin or the flying field see how other people act towards each other ego has alot to do with it. I will not be through with this thread you have to have an open mind to what people have to say and listen . This might help solve the big problem.

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RE: Store bought Monocoted encrusted behemoths - 3/16/2002 4:07:56 AM   
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I've written so much on this topic that I'm getting blue in the face. Fact of the matter is this subject was brought up by me in this very forum about 3 months ago. The problem with the IMAC guys is that for some unknown reason, they think they can fly better than anyone else. Give me a month with one of your monocote encrusted behemoths and I'll be able to hover the damned thing until you are bored watching. (Almost as bored as we are from watching you guys)
When there are multiple aircraft in the air, the pilot that pulls his aircraft to a hover over center stage is creating an obstacle that every one else must now avoid, if you see it in time. It's the same as if somebody cuts the pattern short and turns out at center stage instead of going to the end of the flyover area before making his turnout. I was at Bomber Field this last September. On a flyby with my Sea Fury (made outside of the runway and at about 15 feet of altitude) a guy flying a Hanger 9 Piper Cub decides to make a left turn, center stage, right smack in front of me. I'm looking at my aircraft approaching from the left and do not see this cub until he is directly in front of me. Yes, I had a spotter, who was just as surprised as I that the guy made an abrupt left turn when he did. Fortunately, the resulting mid air only put some yellow paint stains on my left wing and verticle stab. The cubs left wing was cut right at the left airleron. Fortunately, my prop wasn't damaged and his airplane maintained enough control to set down in the grass outside of the runway. Had my control surfaces been damaged, my aircraft could have gone anywhere. This was a perfect example of making a sudden move that creates an obstacle which must be avoided.
When there are multiple aircraft in the air, a safe traffic pattern must be adhered to. Sure you can do a loop center stage, but it is your responsiblilty to make sure that no aircraft is following close enough behind you for you to become an obstacle that he must avoid.
My problem is the pilot that is aware of this situation and continues to fly as if he is the only pilot and aircraft in the air. It is for this reason that I have saved my oldest and most unattractive warbird, filled her with as much lead as she can possibly fly with, put on a devastating carbon fiber prop, and have practiced my depth perception almost as much as some of you guys have practiced you hovering. One day soon, we will meet and it won't be by chance.
Sorry...but the devil made me say it!!!!

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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 4:13:57 AM   
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NO ONE has the right to cause a dangerous situation where the well being of others or there property(ie, radio controled airplanes) is at stake. Airplanes hovering right at the flight line 30' in the air ARE DANGEROUS! They are a threat to people on the ground in the pits(more so then flying in a safe manner and at a safe altitude), and they are an obsticle to any pilot trying to land\takeoff his\her plane. You want to hover? FINE! Take them to a higher altitude and outside the flight patern. There is a reason why many clubs have designated helicopter areas away from the active runway. Hovering aircraft create an obsticle and a distraction to other pilots. YOU JUST DON"T HAVE THE RIGHT TO INFRINGE ON OTHERS! PERIOD!
WHEN THE HELL IS THE AMA GOING TO REGULATE THIS PRACTICE?

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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 4:25:51 AM   
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Again as I said communicate with the other people flying. and an airplane down low hovering is not as dangerous as you want to say. Please tell me when you have seen a hovering airplane end up in the pits you have not answered that question. And I agree a hovering airplane in the middle of the run way is a danger to other aircraft. But as I said when other people are in the air I do not fly hovering in the middle of the runway. I usually fly higher than everybody else when they are flying. I am 35 years old and have been around model airplanes all of my life my dad was flying them before I was born. I myself have had 1 midair 2 airplanes in the air at a pattern contest in the 80s my edge that was mid aired was being flown by someone else. been flying along time for only 1 midair I watch and am aware of the things going on around me when I fly. And when is the ama going to regulate boring people by flying in a circle all of the time. You can share the flight time with people. At 1 club I am a member of which I am a member of 3 the big airplanes usually fly 1 at a time then the other pilots fly and another big one flys and so on but when I am flying and somebody else ask if they can fly with me I say sure go ahead and fly. Warbird 1 I am curious as to why this thread was started what was the cause of your loss of the airplane as it has not been mentioned but you did say you did not hit any other airplanes I am curious as to why it would leave a bad taste in your mouth if you did not hit a hovering airplane.

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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 5:02:16 AM   
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To hoveralot: Why didn't you have the same response to shill's post at the top of pg 2 as you did to mine. That's the reason I brought it up. It's not a matter of skill. It's a question of saftey and being courtious. It is very difficult to fly and control another plane when another one is in your face. When you've seen one, you've seen em all. I don't care if it's a warbird meet, funfly, or whatever. The type doesn't matter. It's the principle of the thing. The guy's that bring these 40% birds to these meets and think everyone should bow to their knees while they fly is a bunch a bullcrap. And don't say it don't happen. It happens at everyone of them. Their attitude makes me sick as does the attitude of most of you. I usually keep most of my thoughts to myself on these forums but sometimes you just gotta spew chunks! The whole point is practically mute in my book anyway cause I've all but stopped going to meets. I know what your gonna say. WOOOHOO so don't bother. I've been into R/C modeling since 1975 and controline a longtime before that and the attitudes and people you meet at the flying field these days is at an all time low. It makes me sad and I long for the fun it was in the good old days. Things were a lot simpler then. There, I'm through with this thread.

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Check this out - 3/16/2002 5:15:18 AM   
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Check out this tail touch sequence......

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. - 3/16/2002 5:16:46 AM   
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Hovering - 3/16/2002 5:27:50 AM   
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Go ahead Taildragger, let it all hang out. I agree with you 100%.
And as for you Johnny Reb.... get a life,you guys lost the war remember...and you are losing this argument as well. Just like the IMAC flying, your pictures are boring.

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LARGE PLANES and helicopters hovering on the flite line - 3/16/2002 5:37:47 AM   
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Hey Fighterpilot,
Nice "Stuka" - Can it torque roll? I told you guys already - I agree with you - Hovering is a stupid, dangerous waste of gas. Not to mention its very distracting to other fliers. I'm getting hovering banned worldwide- I've just had enough. If I wanted to hover I'd of bought a heli.
Check out my P-51HJ >>>>>

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Hovering - 3/16/2002 5:48:44 AM   
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Thanks to all who posted, thread has run its course.

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