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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/10/2006 4:08:09 PM   
dmrcflyr2


 

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Status: offline 		All righty then wildnloose. You seem to think I am DICTATING how you and all others take part in this hobby. I am NOT! If I am espressing my OPINIONS, then how can you take that as 'telling you how to fly'?

Take a Xanax and relax.

Although I do have to admit that your signature line,"Lawn dart professional", probably does sum you up.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/10/2006 5:20:13 PM   
wildnloose


 

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Status: offline 		Now there you go....you write your opinions for all to see then get offended and start name calling when someone disagrees with you.

Also, your assumptions are wrong. If I thought you were DICTATING, I would have wrote it. If you are just replying to my last paragraph then I apologize. It was not directed at you, just a generalized opinion. I meant no offense.

No need for a zanax. I'm already relaxed (again you are wrong on your assumptions).

As for your last statement, maybe you need the zanax...

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/12/2006 5:00:10 AM   
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Never have I powered an airplane as ludicrously as I have read in some of the posts on this forum. Folks putting 90 or 100 sized engines on 60 sized planes irregardless of the wing loading affect.


My Ultra Stick 60 and Midget Mustang both have Saito 100's on them and they are perfect matches for these planes. These are not overpowered but the upper range of the recommended powerplant by the manufacturers. Putting a Saito 100 on a 40 sized plane is overpowering it, but who cares? That's the fun of this hobby...experimentation and freedom of choice, smart or not.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/12/2006 11:01:07 AM   
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If someone has been able to balance a .25 size warbird witha .91, go for it. In fact I'd like to watch. Me personally, I am more concerned about weight when choosing an engine. If a Brand A .91 weighs the same as Brand B .45 why not install the .91?
Now if someone has to add 12oz of lead to the tail to balance the .91 in a .45 size plane then complians about what a brick it is to land, then I just watch them fly to see how long it will last. - Usually not long.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/13/2006 5:38:10 AM   
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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/13/2006 3:52:31 PM   
WMB


 

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Status: online 		I was at a hobby shop in the big city awhile back. Lots of kits and engines on hand. I bought the Ace Simple 400 and the guy at the shop recommended the Thunder Tiger 07 for it, the box indicated this was the best engine for it also. Marketing- both brands under the same umbrella I believe.
I asked about the Norvel and was told the TT was 'better'- OK
When I got home, I went straight to work.
Plane flies well, excellent in the wind. The engine has a great idle and transition and is easy to tune.
BUT- It has very limited verticle. It can't climb at an angle greater than ~ 35, not enough poop.
For me, I think the Norvel 074 would have a much better choice and lighter to boot!
I try to build light, works better sometimes than others.
Have fun all, MikeB

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/1/2006 8:17:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I learned to fly with an ultra stick .60 w/ a saito 100, even learned to hover w/this plane. Power is your friend when crossed up, IMO, you need power to get out of a bind, a buddy had a funtana .90 w/ a saito 180, beefed up firewall, and this plane flew very well and never needed more than half throttle, alot of air frames cant handle high speed, but for 3d you need P2W and some practice with your left thumb.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 2:19:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I power my engines as I see fit... of all the rants you chose this?

Irregardless of what you may think some sport pilots like a 1 to 1 ratio to get out of trobule should that scenario present itself- With the lightweight engines vs HP these days it makes sense. A Saito-72 weighs less than the older for egs.


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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 3:25:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I normally keep my planes in the recommended power range, but theres a few that were a bit tail heavy so instead of adding lead, i just stuffed a bigger motor in there. it is usually my last resort, unless i find that the motor in the recommended range just isn't cutting it. I'm not really for overpowering or against. until it get ridiculous like putting a .91 in a .25. the farthest i go is a .60 in a .40 size plane.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 3:28:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I recently put a hot brushless setup into my sport glider. Did it need that much power to get up to soaring altitude? No way! A less powerful setup would have made it climb just fine. However, to me the smile on my face as my glider climbs vertically to soaring altitudes wouldn't be there with less power. It is a total rush to have such an overpowered machine, and it translates to longer flights as my climbs are only 5 seconds at a time. All my other planes and helis are designed for hard aerobatics so they need the power, but the glider is just too cool with its current setup.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 4:57:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion, a certain amount of over power is good. However, there is a limit. Having a bigger engine alows you to get out of trouble easier, and have more vertical which equals fun. Too big of an engine, as mentioned before, will throw off the dynamics of the airplane.

As for the plane coming at you, a good pilot will know if hes gonna hit people, put it in the ground. Any plane hit will be bad, but I sort of doubt a 40 vs. a 60 will make that much of a difference. As far as crashing out in the field where we usually do, does anybody care if you crash out there?

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 5:51:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like like the extremes that are possible. On one end of the spectrum, I enjoy minimum power acrobatic flight, close to stall speeds where you exchange potental energy for kinetic and have to dive to enter a loop. All kinds of rudder activity with snaps and spins. On the other extreme, is ballistic flight that a Nelson powered pylon racer can do. About the only thing that will out climb a Quickie is flown by the military. A 3 1/2 pound airplane with 2.8 hp gives a climb rate above 10,000 feet per minute.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 6:15:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		This reminds me of the arguments between muscle car guys and sports car guys. Some guys just seem to need big engines.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/2/2006 12:48:11 PM   
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quote:

Why overpower airplanes



if you have to ask...you'll never understand


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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 6/25/2006 4:59:50 AM   
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