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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/17/2006 8:57:19 AM

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I think that under powered trainers are the worst possible way to teach someone how to fly rc. I personally taught both my sons to fly with a .40 sized hangar 9 twist with a .52 evolution on it. It will fly so slow that it almost sets still in the sky. Trainers are doggy flying tanks in the sky. It does not take long for a young pilot to get very tired of flying around in circles, being careful not to stall an underpowered flying 2x4. When I teach, I take it off, trim it, and let them fly way up there. After just a few flights they are mimicking my maneuvers. Whenever I see them making virtually no mistakes in flight, I let them take it off. Not long and there landing. My son has been flying for only six months. He is a 3D flying Son of a Gun.....He started with an overpowered twist and now I doubt if there is anything he cant fly.....

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/18/2006 10:02:19 AM

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torkwrenchmon,

Thumbs up, your way of teaching is the best way to do it.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/18/2006 7:57:24 PM

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I also agree with you and i think of course with an instruckor or better yet a dad i think that a 60 size big stick is a great trainer at least it does not float by every time, i do not think that most trainers out are really great trainers, i suppose that some are but i have had a big stick for many years and i gave it away to a good friend that has had trouble flying his trainer, it was a big stick w/OS-120w/pump and he is flying the heck out of it and has improved so much and now has moved on to a step up plane from the big stick but still i knew that it would be a great trainer for him and he has proven beyond a doubt that it has been, rollie

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/19/2006 7:28:32 PM

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I didn't read the entire thread here, just want to add that I have a Goldberg Ultimate with a Saito 1.80 for power. Over powered? Sure. But it's all I had engine wise and it's not much heavier that my buddies with a 1.20. Not really a 3D plane, but it's got great vertical.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/20/2006 2:30:25 AM

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We all make mistakes but isnt it a wonderful thing to be able to correct that mistake with the extra power that you have, most people that have a powerfull engine mostly use it to do things that they cannot do without the power, they do not use it for speed or to show off but just to be able to have it when you need it, there is always a fool that makes the rest of us with powerful airplanes look bad but that is only one of of how many, myself i love to do a perfect loop a wide big round nice loop and i do not have to even add more power it is just there for the taking and i am one to over power every plane that i own, but i do use my head about it also and do not misude it like most of the pilots that have lots of power use it to there advantage, rollie

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/21/2006 3:31:18 AM

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Well I guess I'm one of those evil guys that overpower aircraft. Ultra stick 40, rossi 60, why you ask? because I can, and to pi$$ the old guys off at the airfield. You know the ones, they bring a 1950's tank with wings, and complain about everything. Like people who put too big an engine on their planes.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/21/2006 3:52:48 AM

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Hey skull
If anyone complains about a 60 on a rossie there out of line, that isnt even close to being over powered, i think that is just the right size engine for that plane, it is not even close to having to much engine, rollie

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/21/2006 4:14:43 AM

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Thank You! it really sounded great, had the mini pipe on it, 11-6 prop, it really spun up! It sounded like a Kx 250 going by, over your head.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/21/2006 6:16:51 AM

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Hey Skull
Im going to tell you what made me to step it up a bit, i have always run os engines 120 w/pump and 90 w/pump and very seldom had trouble and the warentee was great, i put my 90 onto my midget mustang and it was pretty fast on the straight and it called for a 90 which is good power but on the corners i got depressed it went so slow that i gave all of my engines away two new in the box and i put a 110 ys on the mustang and at 1/4 throttle i am going faster then full power with the os, doc doug andf i went to the field today and they were in aw, i asked how fast would you say that is going doug said at least 200 i dont know but i would say a buck 80 and corners, well i now have to use the rudder, isnt that what it is there for i never had to use it before, hey some of us love it and some dont, the ones that dont well i wave as i am going by them and if they try to catch me that never happens anyways i just climb to where the air is so this they stall out haha i just had to say that cause it has happened many times and when a guy buys a honda 350 why is it that next year he buys a 750 and so on, i have a feeling skull that i do not have to tell you why, we both know why, some can handle the speed and some cannot or are afraid of it

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/21/2006 7:37:40 AM

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Rev on brother!!
working on a Shrike 40 with just a os fx 46, on paper at 138, now its time to start playing

I only work about 20 minutes from Jett, maybe he's got something that'll work.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/22/2006 4:39:56 AM

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I think that in a lot of cases a person puts whatever motor on a plane he has at the moment. In my case I took a Hog Bipe in on trade that was extra heavy and I had a Ryobi gas motor lying around, measured it and it fit right in the air frame and decided to use it. I moved the cowl back so the plane would balance out and the plane flew real good and would do unlimited vertical climbs! When I didn't need the power I throttled it back! Cheap to fly and it wasn't a high dollar motor! Be interesting to know if anyone else ever used a gas motor in their Hog Bipe?

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/22/2006 5:45:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pilot727

Hey Skull
Im going to tell you what made me to step it up a bit, i have always run os engines 120 w/pump and 90 w/pump and very seldom had trouble and the warentee was great, i put my 90 onto my midget mustang and it was pretty fast on the straight and it called for a 90 which is good power but on the corners i got depressed it went so slow that i gave all of my engines away two new in the box and i put a 110 ys on the mustang and at 1/4 throttle i am going faster then full power with the os, doc doug andf i went to the field today and they were in aw, i asked how fast would you say that is going doug said at least 200 i dont know but i would say a buck 80 and corners, well i now have to use the rudder, isnt that what it is there for i never had to use it before, hey some of us love it and some dont, the ones that dont well i wave as i am going by them and if they try to catch me that never happens anyways i just climb to where the air is so this they stall out haha i just had to say that cause it has happened many times and when a guy buys a honda 350 why is it that next year he buys a 750 and so on, i have a feeling skull that i do not have to tell you why, we both know why, some can handle the speed and some cannot or are afraid of it

A Midget Mustang will never come close to 180 mph no matter what power plant you have turning the prop.

Now if you're talking 200 KPH (kilometers per hour) THAT I can believe.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/22/2006 8:12:30 PM

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John--I'm glad someone responded to 727. I have been wandering around in the Extreme Speed forums and have read where even the most streamlined planes like Magnum and DD with Jet 50's have trouble hitting the 180's. Takes lots of dough to put together right combination. Not saying it can't be done, it just takes a whole lot more to go from 180 to 200. The Q-500 pylon planes that you probably fly don't go 200 and I can't imagine a Mustang being faster than on of those. For sure this is just MHO.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 9/22/2006 8:36:22 PM

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saw a video from this group http://www.usrainfo.org/ and i could have sworn the guys said their scale planes were at 180 or so.

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