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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/26/2007 2:35:21 AM   
TCrafty



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Status: offline 		I've got an OS 91 4-stroke and I love it. It really flies great and while I've never tached out the engine with the 15X8 but I'm sure it's less than some guys would like. But, the way I fly, it works great. It also helps that the previous owner put on some really tall landing gear so prop clearance isn't an issue.

I also think that over-powering a plane can even benefit a noob by teaching them that throttle dictates altitude, not the trim settings. If they have to slow it down, they will. If they have to fly at full throttle to keep airborne, they will.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/26/2007 8:21:42 AM   
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If they have to fly at full throttle to keep airborne, they will.



Or they can fly full throttle into the ground! Noob's are good at that! LOL

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/26/2007 6:29:18 PM   
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You have some nice planes, i have had many and like everyone else over the years i have lost a few, well quite a few haha I love the taylor craft, i would love to get a 60 size and put my ys-110 on it just to fly off the snow and water, just wanted to tell you that you have a fine bunch of airplanes in your hanger

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/26/2007 6:39:32 PM   
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I got 2 YS-110's a YS-140 and a YS-160 an OS-120 and a DA-50 AND 2 os-32sx engines, the problem is that i have more engines then planes, but one by one i am going to get them onto what i want, I love flying off the snow and want to get a taylor craft or a decathalon, large enough to put one of my YS-110;s on, and i also have merle hyde soft mounts for all of them except for my OS-120 and when i put that on a plane it to will have the hyde soft mount, i also put a soft mount on my LT-25 and the loss of vibration is unreal, after trying one, and taking a chance i will never again mount an engine without, i use my LT-25 with a OS-32SX and it is in the air within 15 feet, depends on the snow, some times i have to make three runs to make a trail then i do touch and go's and make nice landing spots, it;s a blast, i think that flying is in our blood

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 5/29/2007 1:31:53 AM   
Ed Cregger



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ORIGINAL: TCrafty

I've got an OS 91 4-stroke and I love it. It really flies great and while I've never tached out the engine with the 15X8 but I'm sure it's less than some guys would like. But, the way I fly, it works great. It also helps that the previous owner put on some really tall landing gear so prop clearance isn't an issue.

I also think that over-powering a plane can even benefit a noob by teaching them that throttle dictates altitude, not the trim settings. If they have to slow it down, they will. If they have to fly at full throttle to keep airborne, they will.



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Many full scale sayings do not apply in model aircraft, as the majority of us tend to fly these days. If you fly powered gliders and other under powered, high wing area, flat bottom wing equipped models, then, yes, altitude is adjusted via throttle. But most of us try to fly models that are set up to fly equally well inverted and upright. This is where the sayings go right out the window. I love sayings, by the way.

Ever see an "expert" pilot that uses the throttle as if it were a toggle switch? There are still a few of them around, but nowhere near as many as there once was. These folks have the most trouble flying highly powered models. I've seen a few of them install piped Rossi or YS sixty in a forty sized sport plane. Those were very short first flights. <G>

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 7/9/2007 5:56:12 PM   
Kavik Kang


 

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Most .60 sized airplanes I've ever seen are rated for.90 sized two strokes.

When I can put a 1.00 sized four stroke in a .90 sized peg, have it weigh less than the .90, and not only have more power, but a much better power to weight ratio, why not do it? The throttle does not need to be pushed wide open. Some of us like the fact that we have that reserve for whatever reason.

I kinda' relate this question to forcing our kids to wear helmets, kneepads, elbow pads,etc.,etc., etc., just to ride there bikes, or scooters. I mean come on, we can't keep accidents from happening all the time. In the real world, people get hurt, people scuff up their knees. With todays protection mentality, it's a wonder anyone survived childhood!!

People need to use common sence when operating any kind of vehicle. If the bigger powerplants are too much for you, by all means, stay away from them. I don't look down at poeple for operating in their comfort zone. That is a good thing. But without pushing some boundaries, we would never have made it to the moon!

This is not a personal attack, but please, don't legislate my choices away, especially when I do not operate my aircraft in a mannor that violates the law, club rules, or AMA requirements.

I don't like pylon racing. Quite frankly, I think it is dangerous. However, I would fight for pylon racers to keep their right to race, because my experience shows me, in spite of dangerous crashes, and people getting hurt, they have always followed the rules, and are generally concerned for spectators and the surroundings, and are enjoying themselves in the process. This can apply to every aspect of the hobby. Why let a few bad apples destroy having a life? Why let fear destroy one's ability to push the boundaries safely as possible, maybe get hurt in the process, learn, and continue to make America the greatest nation on Earth?

I realise I got a tad bit irritated at this subject,, but come on, give me a break! Please don't let fear rule you, and keep us from a life.


That really is an excellent perspective on the issue. In todays world if you start making rules, there are many who won't want to stop. They'll see it as an "opening" to regulate the entire subject right out of existance. Start letting a lot of these people running around today make some rules about your planes, and within 10 years it will be illegal to own an RC plane for a dozen different reasons (pollution, saftey hazzard, etc). This world is quickly degenerating into a form of "Neo-Facism" and, amazingly, the "Neo-Facists" are absoltely certain that they are the "good guys" and are just looking out for everyone else. In reality, they want to legislate away any activity that they don't personally enjoy themselves. Give them an opening, and you won't be allowed to have an RC plane 10 years from now. At least not until after the revolution, anyway:-)

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 7/9/2007 10:59:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		MrOsprey- try putting a flexible header pipe on your Saito; Horizon has one with a pressure tap. Granted, my Saito 62 is about half the size of yours, but it sounds sweeeeet with no muffler!



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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 8/18/2007 5:37:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am only 26 years old and been doing this hobby for about 4-5 yrs now. I know most on here are twice my age and hundreds of times my expierance. So please forgive me if I'm not up to par. But I feel like just with cars and those '180mph crotch rockets which I have two' there will come A time when there is A law made for stupid people. That's why laws are made. You know that it is illegal for me to go A buck 10 down the street on my bike but if I feel its in A safe place you better believe I'll do it! Laws are made for the really stupid people out there who don't know what they are capable of. One day sooner or later someone with A Gasser or electric will hurt A child or pregnant woman and all hell will break out , however misguided or unintentional and it will have A profound result to our hobby. Now the only way I know to help this situation is simple every time I see A newbie in the lhs with his first plane I offer to help him learn. Yeah its time out of my day and maybe A little gas money but I've never been turned down and I really feel that if what I'm doing stops him from flying in the local wal-mart parking lot then I'm furthering our time in this hobby. I think and feel that if you don't try and alleviate the problem then your only helping to secure the inevitable. Its like bush you may not like him but did you vote against him? If not then who are you to complain? Please note my personal opinion so please no flaming on that. Anyway gentlemen I feel personally that if someone wants to install A jet engine on the back of A paper plane let 'em the stupid ones weed them self out. Would I do it no way in hell I prefer the slow flyer's and ww2 replicas myself. But I do support A mans right to do whatever he wishes no matter how stupid it is. So I guess if I may offer A word of advice to you sir it would be this, watch whom ever do this and when he crashes because he will go over and remind him of how much cheaper his loss would have been with the smaller motor on it!! And how much less damage would have been incurred if only he had chosen the recommended size motor for the plane and not been trying to get A slow stick to go 55mph! A little extra power great but do you really need all of this in my opinion no,,, but if you wanna go ahead just let me know so I can stay home that day! Remember no smart intellectual was ever filmed on tv doing no wrong, only stupid people wind up on the 5 o'clock news. And the innocents they hurt..... Good day to all and sweet flying may it continue always!

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 8/18/2007 6:36:42 AM   
pilot727


 

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Status: offline 		Law's are made for the good of the club, and the people that are flying there, and for the safety of the members that want to enjoy themselves and also the innocent by stander's that are there to watch and to learn, if anyone is a danger to the members and of the by standers then he probably wont be flying there very long, we have officers that take care of them problems that should not be there in the first place and there are many, i just cannot see myself fooling around and running into a by stander specially a child, if anyone thinks these are toys then they are in the wrong hobby as they are very dangerous, if everyone flew in a safe manor then it would be a much better club all the way around for everyone including the bystanders that know little about the hobby and expect us to use common sence.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 8/18/2007 3:04:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a 4*40 I have been flying for about 5 years. Started with a Magnum 52 4stroke inverted and not broken in- flew fine but always deadsticking, all my fault. Very few flights.
Put in a ST51- oh yeah- this is fun. Flew many gallons with this one- side mounted then inverted.
Put a Saito 45 inverted- also not broke in- doh! Kind of boring. Didn't last long.
Put in a TT46 sideways with pitts muffler. Flew well untill the carb barrel retention screw let go. Never was to thrilled with this engine, I either broke in wrong or got a lemon. Most likely tuner induced.
Went back to the Saito 45 side mounted. Got some time on the motor- getting real sweet. Flying on the wing, need to conserve momentum for aerobatics.
Using the 4* to get some time on a Saito 82- WOW!

I have learned a lot from the plane and all the engines I've had on it. The 4* is a great platform for all this expermentation. The 82 will be doing duty elsewhere in the near future. Will try the Saito 45 one more time inverted, I think I can get it running like it should that way.

It's all fun, MikeB

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 8/18/2007 5:19:58 PM   
pilot727


 

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I always break my engines in on a platform i built, they need to be broken in specially the magnum, if you are going to mount them inverted, they are all nice engine though the magnum takes lokger to break it in, read the book and follow what it says and you cannot go wrong.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 8/30/2007 8:45:47 PM   
kryptonite


 

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Status: offline 		I'm having lots of fun with my Saito 125 powered Twist 60. I won't really call it overpowered as the Twist has 1000 sq inches of wing and a super fat airfoil - so its more like in the NICELY powered category. The Saito 125 is a great engine as it shares the same bolt pattern as the 100, is only slightly heavier and therefore an easy replacement. As many have already pointed out - its not about speed. The Twist 60 flies rather slow with the 125, using a APC 16x6 prop. It actually is slower than some of the 46 powered sports planes at my field. Where it excels is the unlabored vertical climbs which I can do with just a hair above half throttle. There is a certain therapeutic sound to a low rpm 4-stroker just hauling a light airframe around with ease - its almost relaxing. So here's another reason for having more engine than necessary - the sweet sound of a low revving engine.

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RE: Why overpower airplanes? A rant... - 8/30/2007 10:42:55 PM   
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...well said.

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