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BLBncsu -> Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/13/2006 10:57:54 PM)

As the post states, what is really the difference between the 22a, 22e, and 36. I know the 22e has a motor driven tail and they all are collective pitch. But what really makes them all difference and make them cost different. Please help, I'm a newbie pilot and probably looking to get one of the three but have no clue which one to get and why I should get one over another. Thanks all!



oops -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/14/2006 6:10:55 AM)

Hi BLBncsu,

I would not recommend you getting any of them. If you are a beginner, you will most likely destroy these models.

A Walkera 4 is a good model for beginners. It is very forgiving of accidents.

Otherwise, if you plan on getting training and want to start with a CP model, you should find a more sedate model. Plus you probably wont be able to teach yourself to fly a CP model without taking a LOT of damage, and maybe replacing the heli once or twice in parts.

The 22a and 22e require a lot of skill to fly. A model shop owner I overheard selling them recently was telling a customer they take around 50 hours of skill to fly for a beginner. Not insignificant.

The 36 would be a little more sedate. It has a belt drive which is quite good, but is still not for beginners.

I started on the 22a a year ago. And I destroyed it. Then I got a Walkera 4 and used FMS to train. The first thing I noticed about the #4 was that I didn't smash my blades the first time it tipped over.

The #4 forces you to fly well and doesn't break as easily as other models. The only new skill you need to fly bigger models then is to learn to be more gentle with the collective. But it's been said that once you can fly a #4, you can fly pretty much any heli.

Anyway, this is just an opinion, but read the #4 forum and the 22e and 36 forums... Avoid the 22a if you can. There are still some unresolved engineering issues with the model AFAIK.

David



neweheliflyer -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/14/2006 7:42:02 PM)

For beginners, you should get the 22E as it is similar to No.4 but it is also collective pitch - this allows you to develop the more advanced 3D flying skill in the future

If you want to have something easy to learn how to fly, then go for the No. 5 or the esky lama 2



BLBncsu -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/14/2006 8:05:55 PM)

Well I don't mind having a heli that will take a while to learn on. Hence I would like the 22e or 36, but what makes the 22e easier than the 36? I would think the 36 would be a bit easier since I believe its a bit larger and has a belt driven tail so one less motor to fail/burn-out. Input?



soneebee -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/15/2006 1:13:13 PM)

The DF22E/DF40 all have the Hiller head design well it is stable but less responsive than the DF35/36/37/39/59/60 since the hiller collective is at every 180° turn were as for the DF35/36/37/39/59/60 this are Bell Hiller design heads which have better response to sudden cyclic changes since collective response is now every 90°.. with this movement is the swash can be transfered to movement faster.



tayse8 -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (11/12/2006 2:55:20 PM)

Hi im trying to decide wether to get the 22e which is £30 cheaper than the walkera 60, been looking at the net and there is not much difference between the models or is this me just being blind?



Chophop -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (11/12/2006 5:16:17 PM)

Soneebee,
I hear a lot of people say the Hiller is slower than the Bell-Hiller because the Hiller responds at 180 * vs 90 *. Now I am thinking.... head speed is 1800 to 2500 rpm. Huh ? Maybe they don't mean 1/4 turn is a great improvement but something else is.

Edit :

I started thinking that maybe the difference would not show on one movement of the swashplate, but if the swashplate is moving in a larger constant motion like a full stick deflection the effect adds up as the cyclic sees an integral of adjustments.

Sb



DJaye -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (11/13/2006 5:25:53 PM)

Do as oops said. Get the DF4. They are very rugged, and dont bust blades as easily. I am glad I did, they are a very cheap heli, and adopts the same princpals of flight as the larger ones. If you buy the bigger one first, you are going to regret it.

I know the Walkera 60 etc look real flashy, but they will just look like a pile of twisted metal, unless you clock up air time on an easier model. And if you buy the bigger one first, chances are you will just give up on the whole thing, and not have any fun with it, which is what it is all about.

I dont wanna say I told you so. :-)



RoadKillmuffin -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (2/13/2007 1:12:33 AM)

Hi all

you all have good points towards these 3 heli's. But i think if you want to start with the 22e its a better choise than the 36 or 22a!
i started with the 22e and its really stable even in the wind. of these 3 its the best to start with. if youre patient and have a lot of time the 22e is the best! in the end it will save you more money. start with the simulator and fly about 10 hours until you got the hovering technique mastered, then go try it on your helicopter! start slow and dont be 2 fast. as i said its the best of all the CP helicopters to start with.



spOon2410 -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (2/13/2007 2:55:51 AM)

I too, like many above, would vouch for the 22E to be the best of those 3 to choose. The 22A is not as popular (for reasons i dont know), so you might have troubles finding replacements/upgrades and help on it. I would stay away from that. The 36 is a larger heli and the bigger you go the harder you fall, as they say.
With the 22E just remember to TAKE IT SLOW. Dont try and hover around right off the bat, you will most certainly crash it. There is a large learning curve to it, but once you are done that you can more safely upgrade to the larger models without worry of breaking them first try.
spOon.



johnchu_hk -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (2/13/2007 3:20:49 AM)

22E not good heli very ugly and small. The 36 good heli but part too much, 22A yuck throw away

heli in trash can. You get better heli COLCO. walkera suck not good. Ask CEPEDA he make 37 into

align very funny.



soneebee -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (2/13/2007 3:30:54 AM)

SB,

the cyclic interaction on the hiller head is kinda slow.. the 180° change is really not that efficient in if you are doing full cyclic and 3D motion. this is good enough for slow forward flights and hovering.. although stable at flights... the head speed is also another issue.. higher the head speed make the heli faster in collective/cyclic


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ORIGINAL: stableblade

Soneebee,
I hear a lot of people say the Hiller is slower than the Bell-Hiller because the Hiller responds at 180 * vs 90 *. Now I am thinking.... head speed is 1800 to 2500 rpm. Huh ? Maybe they don't mean 1/4 turn is a great improvement but something else is.

Edit :

I started thinking that maybe the difference would not show on one movement of the swashplate, but if the swashplate is moving in a larger constant motion like a full stick deflection the effect adds up as the cyclic sees an integral of adjustments.

Sb




RoadKillmuffin -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (2/13/2007 4:13:16 AM)

Johnchu

Why would i pay $40 or whatever more for a heli that hasnt got CP, if i can get a better looking heli that has got CP and for which the parts are more readily available??



Foxito -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/28/2007 8:36:13 PM)


Of all those three you mentioned, the most advanced is the Walkera 36. Now, my honest advice, DO NOT buy a Walkera *anything*, they are all crap. - Get yourself a Falcon 3D as I got three days ago, and you will not regret it.

I've been struggling with all this for the past three months, and my first decent helicopter was precisely the Walkera 22E, yet I could never get that sucker to hover well, much less to fly anything. Very unstable. There was a time I used to fix it, next day broke it again, ordered parts, waited a few days to get them....fixed it with the new parts, one or two days later bang! broke it again....Why? Because I finally realized after three months of two or three main things:

1) You need a helicopter with a good external gyro. So your tail is locked in, steady as a rock, and you don't have to fight the tail all the time.

2) All those helicopters with "4-in-1" are just pure crap. The gyro in those is too small and not as good as a separate gyro that does a much better job.

3) Helis with tail motors are crap. A good helicopter with tail authority has and needs to be either belt driven or shaft driven, period. An electric motor changint its speed isn't fast enough to truly make the changes necessary to keep that tail steady as a rock.

Don't get me wrong, I am not an expert on anything, simply a person that has been observing, reading, learning all this my own way, at my own pace and with my own experience. - So after all, these last three months hasn't passed in vain, I have learned the hard time and came up to the point that just *now* I am finally happy...and the answer is simple: .... Falcon 3D heli !

Get yourself a Falcon 3D, they are right now on sale for $279 minus $25 bonus for purchase over $150 at HobbyLobby.com, comes down to $254 plus S/H - You will get a powerful 400 class brushless motor, an ESC, a heading lock gyro, a 11.1V 1300 mAh Li-Po battery, charger, training kit, TX, some of these items are extra that you have to buy for other helis (ESC, brushless motor, gyro) yet you get them with the Falcon 3D for a very decent price.

Again, don't buy neither one of those Walkera helis you mentioned, you'll regret it sooner or later....... get the Falcon 3D ! - I just got one three days ago, and I'm very pleased with it, and for the first time I have been doing some very nice steady hovering even under heavy wind !

Regards

quote:

ORIGINAL: BLBncsu

As the post states, what is really the difference between the 22a, 22e, and 36. I know the 22e has a motor driven tail and they all are collective pitch. But what really makes them all difference and make them cost different. Please help, I'm a newbie pilot and probably looking to get one of the three but have no clue which one to get and why I should get one over another. Thanks all!




walkera22e -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/29/2007 1:52:33 AM)

I learned it the hard way, with my 22e I got super impatient and eager to fly it that I smashed it minutes after recieving it from the mail man. I was super bummed out but after 7 weeks of waiting for cheap parts from China, I was finaly able to fly it.



Foxito -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/29/2007 2:31:33 AM)

Hahahahaha! That's exactly what happened to me three months ago when I received my Walkera 22E. I took it to the park where I usually go, put it on the floor (flat solid cement, not grass) spun it little by little like I was told....the damn thing went to the side without even ever lifting up....and baaaaaaaaaang! it smacked the blade tips on the ground and my brand new blades where in seconds all trashed on the tips. I don't remember now, but I think also one of those plastic balls of one of the blade grips got chopped right off.....hehe. Brand new out of the box. :(

That was three months ago, I grew up since then up to four helis (decent ones, plus two crap ones worst the Walkera 22E that were before it).... now I could not care less about the Walkera 22E, you are lucky if you ever got it to hover or fly, because I could never done it in the three months I have it until now.

Do you want it? Come get it, free, I don't want it, that helicopter is a royal piece of crap.

I just got a Falcon 3D three days ago, and now that *IS* a helicopter. First time in three months that I have been able to hover a helicopter outside, very steady and nicely hovered like it should be, even under fairly heavy wind we got here all the time anyway, so I needed something like this.

What makes the difference? An external gyro, brushless motor, Li-Po battery, bigger blades, heavier and bigger heli. - The Walkera 22E is a mosquito, that *thing* won't fly well unless you have less than 5 MPH wind or a "calm day" (0 mph) which I have never seen yet where I live.

Nah, I don't want anything to do with those Walkera crap helicopters, I even hate the name by now...hehe. Worst money waste I have ever spent on anything. :(

At least I didn't have to wait for parts coming from China as you did, I ordered from guys on eBay that are right here in the U.S. and sell Walkera parts, most of them are Chinese guys in California, at least I had the parts in 3 days or so after placing an order on eBay.

Anyway, good luck with your Walkera, I'm more than happy now with my Falcon 3D....... it comes from China also anyway, but big difference! It's like comparing a bicycle (Walkera 22E) to a car (Falcon 3D), same country...different people. ;-)

Regards

quote:

ORIGINAL: walkera22e

I learned it the hard way, with my 22e I got super impatient and eager to fly it that I smashed it minutes after recieving it from the mail man. I was super bummed out but after 7 weeks of waiting for cheap parts from China, I was finaly able to fly it.




walkera22e -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/29/2007 2:44:09 AM)

Are you offering it up for free? I'm in, I'll gladly pay for shipping [;)]



Foxito -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (5/29/2007 3:32:56 AM)

Hahahaha! Nah, that was a joke. ;)
I'll keep it for parts, might as well take it all apart in pieces and something I bet I will be able to use for my other helis anyway. I spent too much $$$ on it on parts to just give it away like that...hehe. Besides I don't think anyone would want it, if you see it, you may say this heli went to the Vietnam war ....that's how beatup and bad looks like....hehehehe.

I by now say that I use it as a ping-pong ball, until the other day I was using it for my experiments on trying to hover, and I did not really care if it would get destroyed, would explode, or whatever....that's how dissapointed I was/am at that thing called Walkera 22E.

And don't get me wrong, I got the so called "2007 version" one of the latest ones. True when I got it out of the box was impressive, very nice looking heli, too bad it never worked right.

If they would have installed a gyro on the tail of that Walkera 22E, that heli would have been much better than the crap it is......but of course, then it would not be called 22E but something else....and that's why they made other models that are better.....well, sorta..hehe ;-)

Nah, I keep my ping-pong ball, at least for spare parts ;-)


quote:

ORIGINAL: walkera22e

Are you offering it up for free? I'm in, I'll gladly pay for shipping [;)]




mach ii -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (8/12/2007 5:56:23 PM)

greetings you all seem to be verry knowledgable. I got the 22e havent flown it yet but i have flown planes. i am doing a lot of time on my F.M.S and i was wondering if ther is a good brushless tail motor replacement Thanks.



mksubaru -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (8/28/2007 10:32:33 PM)

walkera 22E, was my first heli, i learn the hard way, crash after crash, just make sure your blades have a good angle, that was the only problem i had, after correcting that it starts overing ok, slow and easy, but i want to say here and now, thanks to all he guy´s like china men johnchu_hk, because of people like you i made my walkera fly, hover, go forward and back... if you can fly a 22E dude, you can fly almost everything. my advice to new pilots, start on the simulator, if possible get a lama V3 it helps gething familiarizar whit the movements on the remote, and then get the walkera 22E . for parts i recomend ebay, thats where i get mine, but i order from hong kong, the shipping is chipper for me (portugal). the only problem i know about walkera is the electronic, thats why they are so chip.



mksubaru -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (8/28/2007 10:35:07 PM)

for a simulator get the aerofly professional, i foud it in http://thepiratebay.org/



mksubaru -> RE: Difference in Walkera's...22A,22E,36 (8/28/2007 10:55:53 PM)

FOXITO.... walkera 22E as a giro inside the reciver dude, come on, people forget the words RTF in walkera´s boxes, in Japan RTF means the blades spin ok. ok now, get it out of the box and check the angle of the blades for god sake. ok better than, Ball Linkage Set, the smal link that goes to the blades, screw it all up, and now the ones that conect to to the swashblade screw it up also, count how many turns so its iqual in both ok. there you will have the angle to tha max. now. one problem, batery last less. now afther every 2 flights unscrem 1turn the links that conect to the blades until you feel ok.



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