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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/14/2006 8:23:58 PM   
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I cant seem to view the video, can someone put up a link in WMV?

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/14/2006 8:25:49 PM   
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Although unfortunate this thread has nothing to do with the Jet Forum. The moderator should move it to the appropriate area.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/14/2006 8:56:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RAMFlyer

Although unfortunate this thread has nothing to do with the Jet Forum. The moderator should move it to the appropriate area.




The thread remains here. If you do not want to read it, just SKIP IT.

BTW, I just deleted a post that in this thread that was not appropriate. If you do not have anything to contribute, please just STAY OFF

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/14/2006 9:41:30 PM   
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i have just seen the video, i am surprised . I thought the regulations says that for safety reasons we are not supposed to fly behind the flight line !!!!

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 12:07:32 AM   
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Terrible tragedy. Let this remind us of how important safety is in our hobby especially us that operate jets.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 12:19:49 AM   
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quote:

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i have just seen the video, i am surprised . I thought the regulations says that for safety reasons we are not supposed to fly behind the flight line !!!!

He wasn't flying behind the flightline until he lost control.

This brings back a memory of when I took a teenager in our club to a giant scale flyin (not as big as the planes in the video) and a pilot had either a PCM lockout or complete power loss. Even though the plane was flying in a smooth arc, I immediately knew the pilot didn't have it. I told the kid to watch out as it slowly arced toward us, even though it was still well out over the flying area. Sure enough it just kept coming and just as I shouted "LOOK OUT! RUN!", the pilot shouted "I AIN'T GOT IT".

Now from playing sports, catching long fly balls and returning kickoffs , I'm a pretty good judge of trajectories. I ran away from the impending crash but the kid didn't know where to go. In a split second I half pushed him to run but the plane hit within a foot of him showering him with parts as he hit the asphalt.

At another flyin while talking to some guys a plane crashed within 30 feet of us without warning. We never would have known what hit us.
My point is that we always have to be aware of what's going on in the air and we have to be extra vigilant where there are spectators because they don't always know what's going on. We can sense an emergency while the spectators may not have a clue.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 12:46:08 AM   
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What a terrible tradgedy. My thoughts are with the bereaved and injured.
The pilot must be going through a hard time, can you imagine if it was YOU ?

How to promote a hobby and keep it safe ?
I notice many UK Jet events specify "No Spectators"

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 2:42:32 AM   
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Well...it "appears" to be a giant scale plane - either way it was either gasoline/ or glow powered and not of small size. But in the newscast they show the actual video of the crash and then the only other plane they show is what appears to be around a 2m sailplane with an electric motor on the nose and appear to talk to pilot of same plane.

I can't understand the language but that sounds about right, a giant scale gasoline powered airplane has a worst case scenario crash so they show something like a sailplane and people think they'll get hit by the nearest park flyer.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 2:54:31 AM   
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Sad news indeed....the plane appears to have 'locked up'....maybe a PCM Receiver? The pilot appear very qualified from what I saw in the video.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 3:07:18 AM   
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Not only does this issue NEED to be on the jet forum it should be on EVERY forum to remind everyone of the terrible consequences which can happen in our pursuit of this hobby, whatever type of power unit. Having been in top quality professional aviation all my life and deeply involved in air safety promotion for some of those years I have seen some dreadful approaches to safe operation of model aircraft by SOME operators and in some of my writing for RCJI and on RCU I have tried to highlight some of the deficiencies and bad practices in our operations and pass on some fullsize safety "culture". I have been lambasted by some, generally those who have no safety culture or "awareness", applauded by others, generally those who have some fullsize aircraft background, I even had one individual who, on RCU, suggested I took pleasure from pointing out that we have had had two fatalities in the UK, two fatalities too many. I have also seen some,/much first class operation of model jet aircraft where discipline and safety awarness is usually much better than seen in some disciplines.

It has long been my concern that sooner or later there WILL be a jet fatality, which with hindsight may well be shown to have been avoidable, if we continue as we are so lets use this dreadful accident in Hungary to take a long hard look at what we do and how we do it, NOW.

Here are some suggestions for starters in addition to the rules which already exist.

1. At all public events ALL models shall be scrutinized AND the failsafe operation DEMONSTRATED to the scruitineers.
This IS done at Classic jets in the UK, a very well run event.


2. ALL flying except for take off and landing (which can use the runway cenerline for reference.) SHALL be on the FAR side of the runway. There to be NO exceptions and that INCLUDES demo/show pilots, regardless of their origin/company/contest success. Minimum height 25 feet.
This is just a little more than the legal requirement (30metre rule) in Australia.


3. A safety "overseer" will monitor ALL flying and any pilot breaking the rules for any reason will be told to land. A second transgression puts the pilot out of the event.
This is similar to the "flying committee" system used at events like Farnborough and the RIAT.

4. All synthesised transmitters to be confirmed, by use of a monitor that they ARE radiating on the frequency selected and declared and NO frequency changeing to be done without the express approval and in the presence of the transmitter controller.

Safety issues in fullsize aviation are discussed continuously, and very aviation magazine includes a safety section , it is an attitude of mind and an integral part of aviation which needs to be greatly improved in model jet aviation, discussion on RCU can go a long way to achieving an improvement. In my view saying that this accident should not be discussed on the jet forum is symptomatic of our problem.

Many modellers would do well to follow suit and take very reasonable step to minimise the chance of an accident BEFORE it happens to the jet community. As well as the primary aim of avoiding the individual result of a trgedy it will benefit all jet modellers and those involved in the trade by ensuring that we are able to continue our operations with relative freedom from outside legislative interference.

Of course we could sit back and do nothing, content in our complacency, arguably the no1 problem in aviation safety.

Please discuss.

Regards,

David Gladwin.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 3:16:55 AM   
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Very well written Mr. Gladwin.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 3:31:11 AM   
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Well said David, I totally agree with all your points, Now all we need to do is to get everyone thinking this way.
This very sad news should be sent to every club secretary to be shown to every member.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 3:59:31 AM   
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Could it be possible that we can set up an "Early Warning" system, like a loudspeaker or siren, to alert the spectators to look out and run when the pilot's in trouble? The pilot or his spotter can activate the siren or loudspeaker if they determine that the plane is uncontrollable..

From the video, you can see that some spectators are talking to each others and would not be too alert to avoid the accident.

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RE: 2 death 4 wounded in model airplane crash - 5/15/2006 5:37:58 AM   
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