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What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 10:34:39 AM   
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Status: online 		I am sure that this question mush have come up before, but what constitutes a Vintage Kit? If the manufacturer is out of business, and the kit is at least 20 years old does that qualify? Example: Does the Die Crunched PICA 1/5th scale WACO YMF that was manufactured in the 80's (blue photo on box) qualify? What do you guys think?


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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 1:43:29 PM   
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...what constitutes a Vintage Kit?


Anything on eBay. The use of the word should be forbidden there.

The actual definition (one of them, anyway) says 'A year or period of origin'. So, it would seem to me that a vintage kit is one from whatever "period" you choose. When you realize that a Sterling kit can be the same "vintage" as a Bridi kit; well, the word sort of loses its punch, ya know?

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 2:05:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The word vintage is another word that can be very subjective. I've been flying for almost 47 years. To me "Vintage is something that was designed before I started flying with the planes and equipment that were designed before I started. Kraft, EK Logictrol Proline Royal Heath and Orbit, radios, would be be "Vintage" to 90 percent of the RC flyer's today. To the rest of us "old timers," they would be just old equipment that is no longer made. "Antique" has a different meaning alltogether. Heathkit, Orbit, F&M, Controlair as well as most of the other Planes, and equipment that is 20-25 years old would come under the catagory of "Antique". Vintage would be something In use before the advent of todays modern designs. ie Freeflight aircraft that were built before they were coonverted to fly under "RC," or an "original Kit that was designed in the 40's. Tube type transmitters and receivers. (not a reproduction) And.........don't forget "GOLDEN AGE" which carries with it another entirely different meaning that is sometimes confused with Vintage, and Antique.

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 5:34:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I have been building model airplanes since around 1936/7, does that make me Antique or Vintage?? words are sometning to play around with. I still feel YOUNG- most of the time as I build my models. Dick

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 5:48:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Vintage" comes from the winemaking trade. In winemaking a "vintage" year is one in which an unusual set of climate and weather related conditions combine to produce outstanding grapes, which make excellent wine. Thus a "vintage" wine doesn't necessarily have to be old.

In merchandising, "vintage" has come to mean "the best of an era". Anything 25+ years old can be classified as "antique", but being antique doesn't make it vintage, and something can be vintage without being antique.

If you're totally confused by now, you should be. Add in the fact that words like "best" are totally subjective, and that makes adjectives like "vintage" totally useless. At best, "vintage" describes an antique that's in good shape, so the seller thinks it should be worth twice as much as it is. I wouldn't count on it to mean much else.

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 6:22:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now why didn't I say that...........Guess I've never consumed wine, Fred Sanford's "Ripple," or "vintage".

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 6:26:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Make's you "ancient and a relic" Just like me. You started the year that AMA Started. I started in RC in 1959, and free flight and control line in 56. AMA 1843

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 7:26:48 PM   
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Status: online 		Well, I built my first model airplane in 1949 (you had to shut one eye and squint with the other to make it look like an airplane) So, I suppose I've been around a while. I got my share of busted knuckles trying to get that %%$#%@@ GHQ to start, never had that kind of problems with my trusty old Super Cyclone though. My first R/C system (could you call it that?) was a Charley C/G tube set up. Then I went to a Kraft 10 Channel reed system, then to a real live full house EK Logictrol, and now JR PCM. So I've been around the block once or twice.

To be more precise, Do you guys consider the PICA WACO YMF 1/5th scale in the 80's blue picture box to be a vintage model, and does it qualify for posting in this thread? Or do I need to bring out my old Ramrod 600?

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 7:36:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stickbuilder, It's not close to being "Vintage" to me. But Now my 48" spook gull wing is. My 1st Reed set was an F&M 10 channel. I flew it on a Buzzard Bombshell. Also vintage to me. The 2nd RC plane I flew was a Goldberg, Jr Falcon, with Mule Transmitter, Citizenship SH-100 receiver, and Controlair SE2 compound escapement bought Controlair before they sold out to World Engines. AHHHH Those were the days.

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 7:40:09 PM   
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Status: online 		I forgot, I had the Mule as well, but I had a Bonner Vari-Comp escapement, so mine was better'n yours.

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 7:42:46 PM   
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Status: online 		I flew the Live wire Champ with mine (sort of). My Falcon use the Kraft reed set-up. Those were the days????? Lord, I remember taking 3 or 4 sets of batteries so I could re-tune the reeds and maybe get one flight in.

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 8:12:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stickbuilder....... Mine was self netrulizing. the Bonner wasn't. 1 click for right, two clicks for left. I crashed tring to get use to the bonnor escapement. I still have my "Mule and escapement. Rat's ate up the receiver. I'm wrong. not the Bonner, I'm thinking of the Badcock escapement.

What I remember most is running across the field with my transmitter over my head shouting......"I ain't go it". Most fun I ever had in my life, those day's.


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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 8:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vintage: Anything that isn't an ARF Gosh, you could almost really say that now as builders seem to be an increasingly rare breed

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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 8:40:00 PM   
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RE: What constitutes Vintage? - 5/30/2006 8:51:01 PM   
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