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MOTORMAN37 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 3:55 AM)

The only point I was trying to get across is the fact that i recieved an early model that had some serious quality issues. These planes are marketed as ARF's (ALL MOST READY TO FLY). I work in RD in the commercial truck industry, and if I expected the end user to reinforce or rework structural components, how long do you think they will buy my products. The fact is, many RC planes purchased will never fly anyways (gift's, inexperienced pilots, no time etc). Also quite a few people have no clue what structural integrity really is.

FYI
I am satisfied with it now.[:)]




Hellcat716 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 5:32 AM)

I disagree with you that 50% of RC planes do not fly. Where can I find this data? I am sure it is your opinion once again. Case closed. White flag is up, I am done with this thread.




Whunchis -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 5:33 AM)

AMEN. I also have had the same experience you have had. I have had several of the hangar 9 warbird arfs and have never had any wing failures, firewalls breaking loose, etc. I just put the hellcat together and it was perfect. No gaps in wing saddle and no bad cowl. I do believe that some are over-reacting and reinforcing when you don't need to.




sherman89 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 11:34 AM)

I also have many of the H9 aircraft and have not had any structural problems with any of them, I have heard of one other cowel that was flawed.I do believe that more than 50% of the ARF's do fly, they may not last long in the hands of the beginner!




MOTORMAN37 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 12:42 PM)

See ya![:D]




MOTORMAN37 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 1:03 PM)

I am not over reacting. I am stateing the experiences of my arf. If I was to force the wing in the way it came, the leading edge sheeting would have been all busted. Sure I could have sloted the holes about 1/4-3/8, but then my belly would have been approx 1/4 or more below the fuse (why change the incidence).[8|] I fixed it the right way.[:D] The firewall I fixed just like I would have built a kit. I have never heard of a kit Manufacturer recommending hot glue.[8|] To all those who think hot glue is strong enough, I reached in with a forcips and pulled it all clean rite of the wood.[sm=sunsmiley.gif] So you can say I am over reacting. I understand everybody has opinions , some just do not hold water.[:D]

FYI,
I am happy with the kit after the mods that were not difficult, just time consuming.




CorsairJock -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 3:04 PM)

Just for the record: my H9 Hellcat required some wing 'adjustments', the mounting holes had to be enlarged so that I could shift the wing in order to achieve proper alignment. Mine was not off that far tho, only need to shift about 3/32".

As for my wing spar/ carbon tube modification: the main reason I chose to do this mod was the fact that I am installing the Robart mechanical retracts and RoboStuts. The RoboStruts would make contact with the lower rib bay spar in it's original configuration. I therefor needed to raise the spar , which I did by inserting the carbon fiber tube ABOVE the original lower spar, then I removed the original material (wood) of the lower spar in the retract bay. Now I have sufficient clearance to allow full retraction.

There ARE documented issues with H9 Corsair wing seperations, and I can see the possibily of such a seperation, even tho I have never personally seen nor encountered such a seperation. That said, it would be wise to limit these H9 ARFs to somewhat scale type flying, unless you do some re-inforcements of key areas.




MOTORMAN37 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 4:08 PM)

Corsair Jock,
My kit has to be one of the first, since the Hobby Town near me is in the premier showcase with Horizon. They recieve a new model as soon as they come out, and I grabbed it.[:D]
I am going to install a strip of carbon 1/4 wide past the first plywood rib. The next thing is trying to figure out how to make the tiny slot to slide the carbon in.[:D] I will only have to remove about 1/32 from the top of the joiner that way.[:D]




DocYates -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 4:28 PM)

Motorman,
I don't think this stuff is the "hot-glue" that we are all pretty familiar with. I agree is probably is dispensed with some type of gun, but looks more like a product I stumbled upon a few years ago that is like a two part composite glue. Of course Aeropoxy is the premier stuff from BVM and this does not really look like that at all. It does not penetrate well but it will fills gaps which is probably why it appeals to the manufacturers. On a fiberglass or composite peices this stuff works great however. In all of my H9 warbirds, I have supplemented the firewall with pieces of triangle stock and a brushing of epoxy. I have never had a firewall failure, but I am only using .90-1.00 size four stroke engines. It is certainly something to check out on any ARF.
Tommy




MOTORMAN37 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 5:30 PM)

Docyates,
As far as I can tell it is plain hot glue. A 5 sec blast with a heat gun from 10" away, and you can pull it off like silly putty. Give it a try. I have some left from when I pulled it out. It pulled absoulutly no wood with it. It pulls off extremely easy. I pulled allmost all of it of cold, but one area I heated it a coule sections. I have no doubt whatsoever left in a hot car, the glue would be soft. I could not believe that it did not damage the soft balsa sheeting when I removed it.[8|] I removed all of it by grabbing a corner with a hemostat and it peeled rite off.[X(]
It is in no way any form of epoxy. You can take pieces of it, and pull it apart like dried chewing gum.[8|]




DocYates -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 6:17 PM)

Like I said the stuff I have seen does not stick to wood hardly at all, it does not really penetrate the fibers. Defintely sounds like some epoxy needs to be put in around the firewall, I only took mine out for an initial inspection and have not started assembly, but will pay careful attention. If you want some really good adhesive which will stay where you put it, try the Aeropoxy or Hysol 5645, that stuff works wonders.
Tommy




MOTORMAN37 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 9:45 PM)

Docyates,
The problem is, the globs of hot glue will prevent from even doing that. The epoxy needs to contact the wood, not the hot glue. Do your self a favor, and reach in with a forcepts and pull it out.[;)] The glue is soft enough that the serations in the hemostat dig rite in. Most of mine you could grab the top of the glob, and it came rite out (scary easy). There was about an iche strip on the bottom, that I had to take a little wood carving tool to get underneeth the glue, but then it peeled clean off. Scuff the plywood with some coarse grit, and epoxy in segments of 1/2 triangle stock around the perimeter dodging the stringers. It is very easy to do, just a little cunbersome to get your hand in there. The pieces I have laying here look just like hot melt, and infact melt rite back down with the tip of a hot glue gun (go figure).[8|] All of the glue came of without damageing the underlying wood, infact it was only a surface bond because it left no residue whatsover.[:D]
I an not being overly picky, I just feel a hell of a lot more comfortable hanging the Saito 1.00 on it now.[:D] Hot glue is mine for craft items, but not the best suited for aircraft firewalls.[sm=idea.gif]




DocYates -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 10:08 PM)

I agree. I always use the triangle stock method on my firewall. Cut 10 or so pieces of 3/4 inch triangle stock about an inch long and use them around the edge of the firewall on the inside. I even sometimes use the "hemostats" for that, nice to know some of the medical training paid off...LOL
Tommy




avatar71 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/28/2006 11:58 PM)

can anyone please post a pic of the triangle reinforcing? thanks!!!




sgillmore -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/29/2006 12:05 AM)

For those who haven't seen it yet, here's another thread regarding issues with the H9 Hellcat:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4435758/anchors_4435758/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#4435758


MOTORMAN37 posted some pictures of his firewall modification (Post #12) the above thread.




CorsairJock -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (6/30/2006 2:57 AM)

Completed and FLOWN Today! WOO HOO! This 'Cat flies GREAT!
To refresh everyone's memories:

1) Saito .91 powered, swinging Master Airscrew 3 blade 14 x 7

2) Replaced the stock retracts with Robart mechanicals, with 3/16" titanium struts and RoboStruts, 2 HiTec retract servos ( 1 for each retracts, stock linkage and bellcranks removed). There appears to be very little weight difference between this retract system and the stock system, despite the dual servos and RoboStruts. 1 complete Robart gear (including RoboStruts, aftermarket 3 1/2" wheels, and linkage to the servo) weighs 133.2 grams, compared to weight of all stock components (both retracts, all linkages and bellcranks, wheels, and collars) is 296.5 grams. Thus, multiply 133.2 times 2 (BOTH Robart retracts with wheels) and add the addional servo (advertised at about 1.2 oz). and the weights are nearly identical.

3) Added 1/4" diameter carbon fiber tube above center section lower spar, to strengthen and make retract installation easier.

4) Williams Bros scale military pilot.

5) Hobbico 4 cell 1200 mAh NiMih battery. Flew 4 flights with it, still seems strong enough for a few more.

6) I opened up the cowl scoops considerably, for better scale effect, and added some sheet plastic to chin area for the same reason.

7) To acheive more effective engine cooling, I made the dummy engine into a baffle, which directs all incoming air to the engine, instead of following the manual's suggestion of removing all material between the dummy cylinders. I also opened up the forward fuselage top about 1/4" to allow air to escape the compartment easier.

8) used a Sig elevator joiner to aid in installing concealed elevator linkage, using Sullivan precision control system.

9) re-covered top of stab and elevators with UltraCote Midnight Blue, to match upper surfaces fuselage and wings, for better scale authenticity.

All up weight (no fuel): 8 lbs, 4.2 oz!

Alto I did some things to save weight (used Hayes motor mount, lighter wheels), I also did some things which added weight (extensive cowl mods, dual retract servos, carbon fiber tube, etc.). Also, I have not added the gear doors yet: I will have to fabricate a set to fit and work with the RoboStruts. For that matter, I would like to add the small rectangular FRONT gear doors.

With CG at 5 1/4" as per instructions (balanced PERFECTLY without battery, so battery was installed at balance point), it was very difficult to induce a stall, even with full up elevator. In other words: the recommended CG works justs fine.

The Saito .91/ Master Airscrew 3 blade 14 x 7 combo will almost hover it. In fact, I am sure it could with a different prop, such as 2 blade APC 15 x 6? I performed huge loops, barrel rolls, aileron rolls, knife edge, and snap rolls, NO PROBLEM! Landings were gentle, even on out rough (grass runway) field.

This is a warbird that can fly VERY scale like, OR can be flown like a sport plane. The climbing turns were VERY scale looking (and I've seen the full scale fly many times). In fact, it had a very scale look in all attitudes and from all perspectives when in the air (except when I was attempting to hover and knife edge). A couple of fellow club members now want one, even the guy that always flies 3D.

MOTORMAN37: it doesn't matter WHERE you got your's from, I have a feeling that they all came over here (to the U.S.A.) on the same boat/ same initial shipment.

Here are pics taken before flight. See if you can spot the Saito in 1st pic.




catman74 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/1/2006 8:36 PM)

Just a general question:

What do think is better, if you don“t want to use the stock retracts?

The Robart 615 (Maybe the new 800 Series) with robostruts or the retracts from century jet made for the H9 Hellcat?
Sierra Precision is unfortunately to expensive for me.

Greetings from Austria

Cat




hellcat 1 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/1/2006 11:08 PM)

Just to let everyone know, the firewall is glued in with hot glue, but it's a lot better than the kind I have. I have been cutting down the area between stringers on the top of the fire wall so than I wont have to mess the cowl up. I know it's a lot of work but I have the time and wanted to do it that way. I wouldn't have to worry about the firewall coming out. I needed to take the glue off so that I could epoxy the pieces in and the only way I could get the glue off the wood was to take a soldering iron and dig it off. It does melt. We used to do that to take potting off of cannon plugs to repair the wiring on the F4s when I worked for McDonell Aircraft. That did work pretty well and if your firewall was glued in as well as mine was you wouldn't have to worry. I'm sure some aren't assembled as well. They have several different people and some do a better job than others. And the glue guns aren't probaly all set the same. The glue was really adhered to the balsa well and stuck so hard to the ply that I couldn't get it off any other way. It would probably be best to test how well yours is glued in.




teryn1 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 5:23 AM)

Here's a very rough 1 minute 40 second video I threw together of my second test flight session this afternoon ( a bit windy out). Very nice plane and fun to fly. Very easy to land. Mine is equipped with a Saito 100. The landing gear covers have not been installed yet. The first flight for the plane was saturday 7/1/06. An improved and more formal video will come later.

UPDATED (improved): http://www.terynd.com/public/hellcat-7.9.06.wmv (37 Mb WMV w/music)

Teryn




navy fly guy -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 5:50 AM)

Great viedo looking for more




CorsairJock -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 11:17 AM)

Yup: Great Video!
And a testament on how well this Hellcat lands, even in very windy conditions (I noted not only the wind noise, but also the transmitter flag).
And it also answered any questions regarding a Saito being able to pull it thru huge loops. LOVE that Saito SOUND!
Thanks for posting it.




pettit -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 1:05 PM)

My F6F also flew on July 1st. 3 flights, and more were scheduled until the retract servo stripped.

It was one of the new JR Sport series rttract servos with low torque and plastic gears. I'll replace it with a 791 servo when they get in stock.

Anyway, even though the plane wouldn't taxi too well in the short grass, it flies great. The Zenoah G20 never went above 1/2 throttle.

It does all the standard aerobatic stuff and will land at a rather low speed.

I still need to tilt the retracts a bit more forward, not by bending the wire, but shimming the mechanism forward to reduce the nose-over problem.

And I still need to add a little more weight to the tail to get the balance point to 5 1/4".




teryn1 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 3:30 PM)

Dick, The Hellcat looks great. I will get a pict of the Hellcat and Aeroworks Stearman in formation (I know you have one from another thread). For the Hellcat, my JR servo also stripped after only about 4 or 5 flights. Flew yesterday (in the video) with the Hitec 77BB. Hasn't failed yet (after 4 flights).

Teryn




pettit -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 4:07 PM)

Lets say I HAD the Stearman. It is now flying somewhere in Ohio.

No, it didn't fly away either.

That wasn't a JR 791 that stripped out? For 60 bucks or close to 25% of the cost of the kit, I better be good!




teryn1 -> RE: H9-F6F Hellcat 60 ARF (7/3/2006 4:17 PM)

Dick, it was a JR 703 retract servo (stripped after like 4 or 5 flights); it cost $60 too. It is just not up to the task with these retracts (need a lot of torque). What happened to the Stearman; that thing is a sweetheart.




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