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calling - 10/10/2002 9:03:06 AM   
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hey selpel ever figure he knew it was you and just didnt wanna answer lol

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Pictures - 10/10/2002 6:38:04 PM   
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Hey Everybody!

People talking about progress.......Can't you see that those of us that live vicariously through your efforts are hurting?

Pictures........We NEED Pictures!


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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/11/2002 8:55:56 AM   
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Well Prof, I think Glenn was doing what I should
have been doing. Work on our B-25`s. He told me this morning that he clean a table off just for me so I could start rigging.Now if everything would
settle down things could get back to normal. The only thing good is that the spare time I have had I got my Pica Mustang closer to flight standards. Guys get ready when Glen gets the new web page up you are gonna be surprised to say the least.
Steve the Prez.

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Glenn - 10/11/2002 10:54:24 AM   
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I cant wait but what I want to see is Glenns P-61 going together I gonna follow that one closely.

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Brakes?? - 10/11/2002 7:01:04 PM   
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Is anyone installing brakes on their 101"? I was planning on adding them but do not believe that they will fit as the nacelle is pretty tight.

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Oh Grandmother, what a BIG thread you have!! - 10/16/2002 7:07:16 AM   
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Hi. I recently acquired a set of 101" plans and hope to start putting together one of these monsters within a few months (other projects lined up first). I know the G23s seem to be the engine of choice, but the plans also show .90-1.08 glow. I've seen at least a couple Z B-25s mentioned having .90s and that they "fly well" with them. Any thoughts on using this size range, or even a 1.20 2c?

Comment: At least a couple times in the thread it was recommended that rudder be used in turns! Aren't R/C flyers taught that this is the norm? When I was first learning to fly R/C, my instructor was a bit irritated at me with my wanting to use rudder with the ailerons. I couldn't imagine any other way, having flown full scale before!

Hey! Lookin' for nose art? Try these------(in color!)
[URL=http://sbl.salk.edu/~dkaiser/planes5.html]B-25 Nose Art[/URL]

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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/16/2002 7:39:28 AM   
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Thought I'd throw another note concerning my 25... The test flight was not without damage but what can I say....sooner or later and I got mine out of the way sooner. : )
Home projects will take priority for a bit this fall as I ready the house and vehicles for winter. Hope to get back at it and effect repairs this building season. I also have helped put a couple of friends arfs together as well as nearly finishing my Sig Demoselle for winter flight.
I won't have much more to add to my B-25 web page until repairs are made and more subject to cover concerning it. The page will remain on-line in hopes it helps clear up some areas for other builders of the Ziroli B-25.
I did upload a few pics to the page of the finished product under "at the field". Hope you enjoy building yours as much as I have mine. I'll be checking on you all!!!!


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! - 10/16/2002 8:34:12 AM   
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Sooo Randy are you going to enlighten the rest of us as to the cause and extent? Anyone having trouble on their test flights could maybe help some of the others to avoid a pitfall. Brian as far as engines in my humble opinion you would need to build very light to go with the 23's or the 120's The original prints used a lot of methods that made for a light plane (such as 1 servo for all the flaps, use of bellcranks, light retracts etc.) things we just throw in an extra servo here and there for now that servo's are cheaper. Thanks for the pic link There are some great shots there. Beachdoc We fly on grass so not much need for brakes here. Warbirdz looking forward to some pics of that J model! Shawn how you coming along? Selpel quit slacking off and get to work! And as for you Prof..... Well that's a whole nother story!

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B-25....Power Plants/Update - 10/16/2002 8:03:08 PM   
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Folks......As far as what engines to use there are alot of choices....G-23's work but are marginal for performance....I seriusly thought about Q-400's and dont know how they compare weight-wise to G-38's but they do put out more power...I avoid the electronic engines only because of the extra batteries,etc...not because they wouldn't work well too...I'm using G-38's because thats what I used on B-25 #1 and I've seen on others and they are reliable as well as have good performance....not to mention they sound more realistic....just finishing up some prep work...also installing the 8 50 cal guns in the nose...hopefully ready for paint in a couple of weeks....will also work on getting some pics.....BILL....

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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/24/2002 8:37:25 AM   
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Hey Randy, What did happen on your test flight? I
think it may make someone double check everything
before their test flight. I hope yours is not damaged to bad. Steve The Prez.

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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/24/2002 4:35:22 PM   
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Hi guys... Sorry for the delay in getting back to the board with more info. but I was wanting to try and find the source of the problem before judging the situation.
After thinking it over, talking with the pilot at the controls, and checking with most everyone around at the time I have formed an opinion of what caused the flight problem.
The actual flight problem was that it rolled down the runway, lifted off, went fairly nose high and left, dipped down and flattened out a bit, then back nose high / left, and landed on the nose and left engine in a tall grass field surrounding the flying site.
Even at low speed and low altitude when better than 30 pounds lands on the nose there is an ugly looking crash scene. The aircraft is certainly repairable and I only view this as a setback and learning experience. All hardware parts are undamaged and I'm only in need of the plastic front canopies, balsa, and paint to be back together when time permits. From the wing saddle back there is not even a scratch, the outter wing panels have some very light cosmetic damge and one cowl is in need of repair.
The plan of repairs is to buildup and new nose section and blend it to the fuse and repair the damage to the wing center section. All my sub-assemblys such as the lighted control panel, working turret, machine guns, etc are all fine and will be reinstalled with no mods.
Cause of the crash ( in my opinion )... wing stall. The stall was brought on by several possible causes or all of them combined. Grass runway, too short of runway, partial flap deployed during takeoff. The ailerons were useless as it tipped left and not enough rudder was applied quick enough to flatten things out.
The silver lining to it all is that I still have a repairable airplane and will be certain to fly it differently next time with great results. I had enough power out of the Ryobi's and will certainly reinstall them again..they ran incredibly smooth. They were turning the 16-8 Graupner 3 blade props @ 7000 rpm and ran up perfectly all the time. Sorry to say, even that much power won't hover a stalled B-25! : )
I hope some of this info helps make better flights for each of you. I've posted it here as accurate as I can so you can make your own judgements of the situation. I thought I'd wait until after the first of the year to start repairs but I'm already itching to saw out a few new formers for the nose.


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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/24/2002 5:56:58 PM   
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You project photos and narrative have been inspiring--thanks for the effort. I look forward to a flight report when your B-25 takes to the air. Keep us posted!

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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/24/2002 7:08:40 PM   
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Hey Randy, I am glad you have a positive attitude
on repairing your plane. I hope your thoughts on what caused the mishap will help all of us prepare for our first flights. Thank you again, Steve The Prez.

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Building a Ziroli B-25(CONDENSED VERSION) - 10/24/2002 10:58:35 PM   
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Hey Guys,

For a while there I was begining to think no one was building any more on there B-25's. I'm still working on mine. Waiting on buying parts. I need air cylinders, 2nd engine, Air Valves, and other gear support equipment. Can't finish sheeting her until I get these all installed. So, been working on doors and hatches to support equipment. I'm not happy with the results thought on hinges and Main gear doors. tried the Robart door hinges and they just did not work for me. Al kinds of alingment issues. So I used large hinges instead. I have had a sting of bad luck on my web server and Digital camera. Both have in short died. So either buy airplane stuff or computer stuff. Hmmmm... choices, think I'm going with airplane stuff.



Cheers,

Shawn

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B-25..... - 10/25/2002 12:45:59 AM   
warbirdz1