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Stuntguy13 -> Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/5/2006 4:24:50 AM)

Has anyone tried the starter fluid fuel blend - basically 50% sf , 25% oil, 23% kero, 2% IP? I have been trying to work with this and the starting fluid I bought at Auto Zone was on sale. It had the ether listed first so I thought this would be a good choice, after trying on two different days and having to work very hard to get the engine to pop I think this stuff may have lost most of its ether. Has anyone had a similar experience? I have ordered some standard diesel fuel from Aero Dyne but wanted to give this a try.



SGC -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/5/2006 4:41:26 AM)

Stuntguy13, Whats the percentage of ether listed in the starting fluid ? The John Deer starting fluid is 80% ether, most auto parts starting fluid is 25-30% and so insuficient.
Stewart



Motorboy -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/5/2006 6:26:57 AM)

Take a test first about the starting fluid works well as self ignitor in fuel. If it works well, buy the starting fluid nex time.

I am using Turtle Wax starting fluid and works well. [;)]

Jens Eirik



andrew b -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/5/2006 12:06:28 PM)

I found Bradex "Easystart" works well, but I am in the UK, you have that in Australia?



Stuntguy13 -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/6/2006 4:01:41 PM)

I tried using the raw starter fluid as a prime and had to flood the engine and flip backwards to finally get a pop. The difficulty is getting fresh starter fluid here in Florida, its not a big seller. Anyone know of a John Deer mail order site for their starting fluid?



Motorboy -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/6/2006 4:45:02 PM)

Flooded engine are difficult to start with raw starting fluid, better to mix a ready 0.25-0.5 litre fuel and take a test how starting fluid works well or unuseful to fire up engine.

Jens Eirik




gkamysz -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/6/2006 8:41:31 PM)

I don't think starting fluid goes bad in the can. The product would have a shelf life and expiration date. The problem is that there isn't enough ether like others have noted. Don't bother with anything other than JD. I found some specs for Penray or SuperX something, but it's not that common. Go to www.deere.com and find a dealer in your area. They might have it.

... another diesel fuel thread in the diesel engine forum....what are the odds?

Greg



Mavi91 -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/9/2006 10:12:13 PM)

I had similar problems when I started using starting fluid. When I checked the MSDS sheets online for the products I was attempting to use I discovered Ether figures quoted like "40 - 70%." In other words, you can't necessarily count on the consistency of some products in regard to ether content. One of the reasons that John Deere is favored is that it outright guarantees 80% ether. You'll find that it is a little more expensive and that you may have to search for a dealer that sells it. While I have had good results with Prestone starting fluid, I like the John Deere better because I can count on what I'm working with.



Lou Crane -> RE: Starter Fluid diesel fuel blend - stale (6/14/2006 7:41:26 PM)

SG13,

I blend my own diesel fuel as it is scarce down here in Arizona.

I had been using RedSeal Thrust truck starting ether from spray cans, milked per Eric Clutton's method. Thrust is mostly (75% according to a factory rep I called) n-heptane, which will ignite in our diesel engine conditions, but requires quite high compression setting to get started. Also it runs harshly, due to the need for greater compression.

As Mavi91 reports knowing the quality and quantity of the starting fluid contents is important.

I found John Deere diesel starting ether spray, and it works MUCH better. The can lists contents as 80% high quality technical ether (di-ethyl ether) and fuels I've brewer allowing the the volume percentage start, set and run very nicely, at much lower compression settngs that the previous Thrust-based blends.

Start with the engine manufacturer's recommended proportions of ether, kerosene, oil (and AN if you can get it), or as you're converting with a DDD head, perhaps Bob D included some working numbers? Otherwise, Aerodyne, DDD or Clutton (PAW-USA, Dr Diesel, advertises in FM mag) fuels have good reputation.

Home blending is a personal thing. I doubt there's much money to be saved, but I feel more certain I know the blend and that it is fresh...



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