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Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/5/2006 2:47:32 PM   
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Anyone had a chance to try the new Pletti Extra 30-10 Evo yet?

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/5/2006 3:17:42 PM   
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The first production ones are to be shipped to Adam and myself tomorrow...so hopefully I will have one in a week or so.

I promise as soon as I run it to provide some commentary and comparison to the regular 30-10.


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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/7/2006 3:56:40 PM   
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Just got word that the motors shipped out today...so I should have something in a couple of weeks I figure. We have a contest on the 16/17...so hopefully I can try it out before then.


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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/8/2006 12:06:53 PM   
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Mine is apparently on its way too but an impending house move is going to get in the way of trying it for a few weeks.

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/8/2006 4:22:47 PM   
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Do you folks have any specs on it yet? I'd be interested how it compares to the other outrunner options. Of course in-flight results will be even more interesting.

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/18/2006 5:08:42 PM   
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The specs are on the website - http://www.plettenberg-motoren.com/

Any news yet, or too early?

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/20/2006 4:14:41 AM   
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I've posted what I know here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532405

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/20/2006 10:00:02 AM   
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Adam,

Ive got mine but won't be able to run it for a couple of weeks. Can you please confirm the correct timing (hard I presume) and switching frequency for my new Future 32.80KA ESC?

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/20/2006 3:26:58 PM   
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So far this year I've been running the Xtra 25-13 with the Fut 32.80ka. The settings are 1=ON, others=OFF. From what sense I can make from the Schulze manual these are the settings for the Evo, also. I'll run it tonight (motor mount was glued in last night and this morning).

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/20/2006 4:11:19 PM   
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I run the same settings as Adam on the 80 and the 30-10 regular, as I did with the 55 and it works fine. I dont think the Evo is not different enough to require any changes in the esc settings.


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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/20/2006 4:14:30 PM   
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Thanks guys

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/21/2006 12:45:52 AM   
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Well just got my Evo today, put on the connectors and did an intial run-up in the back. Will post some comparison pics between it and the old 30-10 later, I am off flying right now.

Old 30-10, 21x14 prop, TP 5300 packs...

~5550 rpm, 65A, ~2300W

New 30-10 Evo

6150 rpm, 85A, ~3000W

The draw with this prop is higher than I want, I will test out some others over the next few days. However, the increase in rpm is impressive.

Compared to the old 30-10, the Evo did not even warm up during the ground run.

Off to fly...more in a bit.

Malcolm...my settings on the 80 were 1 ON, rest OFF.....red and blue wire backwards on controller to get the correct direction.


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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/21/2006 6:32:28 AM   
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My comments on the motor!

For those that dont know what a 30-10 Evo is, its Plettenberg's latest offering into the F3A electric motor market, based on the 30-10 motor that we used last season. It was first discussed at the World Champs in France to take the existing motor and improve both power output and cooling. First impressions of the new motor is that it did just that!

First thing is to give some reference numbers for the 30-10. As I was only able to test the APC 21x14 prop today thats all I will use for comparison. With the Thunder Power 5300 packs at about 25C the 30-10 would give about 5600 rpm at 64A and 2300W.

The new 30-10 Evo gives the following at various pack temperatures tested today....all with the 21x14 and TP 5300 packs, all static results.

12 celcius pack temp, 5900 rpm, 72A, 2500W

25 celcius pack temp, 6200 rpm, 85A, 3000W

45 celcius pack temp (can be seen at the start of the graph attached, hope you can read it), 6500 rpm, 92A, almost 3500W!

For reference, on the graph the blue line is pack temperature, black is pack volts, green is watts, and brown behind the green is amps.

I flew three flights today, motor temperatures were about 10-15 celcius lower than what I would have normally got with the early 30-10 motor in these conditions. Increased cooling inlet and outlet area, as well as a new stator design that allows airflow in the core of the motor contribute to the lower operating tempertures. Very windy and cold so a lot of throttle was usually required with the old 30-10. With the Evo motor I flew the sequence at less than full throttle for nearly every manuver. From the graph it shows that I used for most of the flight similar power levels to the old motor, however on a few occasions when I needed more power it was able to deliver. There is no lack of power at all during the sequence now, in fact careful use of the throttle is required or it accelerates too fast.

The most impressive part of the test, was the same rpm test I did. I ran the Evo up to the 5500-5600 rpm that I normally see with the 30-10. The draw from the Evo motor was only 50-52A, which is better than 10A lower than the 30-10 motor. So the motor is much more efficient at the partial loads, which helps to lower the temperature of the motor.

At any rate I am very excited by the new motor, its way more than what I ever expected.

Tomorrow I plan to test both the 21x13W and the 22x12. I think the Pletti's hit the nail on the head with this one!

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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/21/2006 6:54:38 AM   
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Hello Chad,

That's really interesting!
Thank you for the infos.

Do you have numbers about the total consumption comparision after one P0.7 between Evo and normal 30-10?
May be the 21x14 is a bit heavy for full throttle (92amps ) but keeps an average low consumption with the big 14 pitch?

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My comments on the motor!

For those that dont know what a 30-10 Evo is, its Plettenberg's latest offering into the F3A electric motor market, based on the 30-10 motor that we used last season. It was first discussed at the World Champs in France to take the existing motor and improve both power output and cooling. First impressions of the new motor is that it did just that!

First thing is to give some reference numbers for the 30-10. As I was only able to test the APC 21x14 prop today thats all I will use for comparison. With the Thunder Power 5300 packs at about 25C the 30-10 would give about 5600 rpm at 64A and 2300W.

The new 30-10 Evo gives the following at various pack temperatures tested today....all with the 21x14 and TP 5300 packs, all static results.

12 celcius pack temp, 5900 rpm, 72A, 2500W

25 celcius pack temp, 6200 rpm, 85A, 3000W

45 celcius pack temp (can be seen at the start of the graph attached, hope you can read it), 6500 rpm, 92A, almost 3500W!

For reference, on the graph the blue line is pack temperature, black is pack volts, green is watts, and brown behind the green is amps.

I flew three flights today, motor temperatures were about 10-15 celcius lower than what I would have normally got with the early 30-10 motor in these conditions. Increased cooling inlet and outlet area, as well as a new stator design that allows airflow in the core of the motor contribute to the lower operating tempertures. Very windy and cold so a lot of throttle was usually required with the old 30-10. With the Evo motor I flew the sequence at less than full throttle for nearly every manuver. From the graph it shows that I used for most of the flight similar power levels to the old motor, however on a few occasions when I needed more power it was able to deliver. There is no lack of power at all during the sequence now, in fact careful use of the throttle is required or it accelerates too fast.

The most impressive part of the test, was the same rpm test I did. I ran the Evo up to the 5500-5600 rpm that I normally see with the 30-10. The draw from the Evo motor was only 50-52A, which is better than 10A lower than the 30-10 motor. So the motor is much more efficient at the partial loads, which helps to lower the temperature of the motor.

At any rate I am very excited by the new motor, its way more than what I ever expected.

Tomorrow I plan to test both the 21x13W and the 22x12. I think the Pletti's hit the nail on the head with this one!



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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/21/2006 7:05:11 AM   
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Yes I think that 85A is quite high and probably not the best for the batteries. The 21x14 was the only prop I had with me today, I will try the 21x13W, 21x12W as well tomorrow (or the next decent day). Both props should shave about 5A off the setup. As you can see the draw is very dependant on pack temperature! If the packs are warm though the power is unreal.

Consumption for P-07 of the flights I did today was identical to the previous motor...however if you get carried away on the throttle it could be much higher! The 30-10 was good for 95% of the flight, and Evo actually draws less at similar rpm's....so its possible to use less...however I think that is offset by the few times that you want extra power and bring the power into the 70A+ range in flight for a few seconds.


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RE: Pletti Extra 30-10 evo - 6/21/2006 9:05:34 AM   
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Chad,

Great to hear of your tests so far, I am really looking forward to getting my Evo in the air. I am also encouraged that in terms of RPM, and current you are in the same ballpark as my 13 wind