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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 9:05:56 PM

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Oh, is that it? The topic title is a tad misleading. Well, that makes a bit more sense.

I suppose the issue is that AMA lists airplanes by class: Pattern, Scale, Sport, etc. You want a 3D Class, and maybe even some AMA-defined 3D-oriented events? That's do-able. Generally, AMA reflects what IMAA defines, so perhaps we need to take a look at them, first.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 9:09:41 PM

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But what do you want them to "do"???? That's what everyone is wondering. On one hand you want them to write legislation, whatever that means. On the other hand you just want them to say "we care" which they've done plenty.

I just don't get the point of your mission or are you just bored because nobody's been fighting over the last week or so and we need to start some trouble???

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 9:47:59 PM

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I just don't get the point of your mission or are you just bored because nobody's been fighting over the last week or so and we need to start some trouble???

yea that's it. Where have you been??

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The topic title is a tad misleading.

I thought it would get you in here to post.

I'm just kidding.

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I suppose the issue is that AMA lists airplanes by class: Pattern, Scale, Sport, etc. You want a 3D Class, and maybe even some AMA-defined 3D-oriented events?

That all would be nice, but that's not the point exactly. I see foamies now coming into the AMA spotlight and I was thinking about how 3D really hasn't ever been a "prefered" type of flying. I usually see "circle burner" issues given play by the AMA. As far as I know, the AMA doesn't even care if 3D exist when compared to most other types of flying.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 10:17:28 PM

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never been to an IMAC event, eh? The Freestyle portion is 3D, the Tuscon Aerobatic shootout is 3D, the TOC is 3D, the Masters is 3D, the Futaba XFC is 3D.....

there is plenty of it.......

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 10:50:51 PM

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if a club banned 3D flying all you have to do is get more 3D pilots in the correct club officer positions to reinstate it. IF as it's been put sooooo many times in this post that 3D is the driving force one would wonder why there are so few 3D pilots in positions to 'make things happen' at their prospective clubs.

we heli pilots have been pushed to the back runways or forced to fly in the sun for years at most fields because of ignorance and lame excuses but voicing compromising situations rather then starting a pissing contest has eliminated that at most fields around my parts and we learned to 'take turns' at the runways. one field on the other hand has now pushed the 3D plank fliers to the back runway with the heli folks and their membership numbers have started to suffer because of it. all it takes is time and patients along with a little diplomacy and everyone can fly the same runways at different times, heck most of the people who are so dead set against 3D planks or helis only come to the field to sit in a lawn chair and shoot the bull anyways so it doesnt take much compromise to win your flying style into a happy medium.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 11:49:11 PM

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This thread isn't about banning 3D. It's also not about anything local. It's about the behind-the-times AMA which we've established here is at least 1948.

Time to cut more formers folks.
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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 12:11:44 AM

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It's about the behind-the-times AMA which we've established here is at least 1948.

No, you've established that. The rest of us are wondering what you've been trying to say.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 12:18:11 AM

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i think 50% cant see the forest for the trees.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 1:11:53 AM

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www.americanjuniorclassics/movies/Sabre%20Dance.wmv

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 1:36:34 AM

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Same here. I only want the AMA to recognize with some written statement that 3D as good as sport flying so that some of these circle burner/hucker debates in clubs will be fair.

Christopher maybe you should contact the AMA with your concerns, I consider 3D
to be freestyle flying IMO.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 1:51:04 AM

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I think the AMA has already given 3D a classification. Mike Hurley writes a great monthly colum in MA titled
" Scale Aerobatics " There he writes quite a bit about 3D. It has been recognized by the AMA.

Fact is that the AMA safety code is pretty much written to cover all aspects of model airplanes and really dosent need to re-write the book for every type of aircraft conceivable.

The IMAA really has nothing to do with 3D aircraft. For the most part the IMAA is dedicated to sport fliers whom prefer to fly larger airplanes. At the last IMAA rally of giants here in CA there was conflict between the IMAA regulars and the 3D crowd.

3D doesn't really have anything to do with IMAC anymore nowadays. In the 7 years I have flown IMAC, freestyle ( 3D ) as only been an option at maybe 4 contests. The Tuscon Shootout, Masters and XFC really are not IMAC contests. The Shootout comes close and is in fact an IMAC event but the invitational class is pretty much a stand alone event and does include freestyle.

I think what 50% is after is maybe the AMA publicly comes out and states that 3D is a classification and here are some guidlines to deal with it. That way when and if a confrontation happens with him and a fellow club member he can state that he is within the AMA guidlines and that AMA is behind him. Then again maybe not...........

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 1:56:00 AM

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I think that you are confusing hovering as a 3-D manuver. Hovering has been done by controline ships as your link shows. What is not as well known is hovering was also done with some of the pattern ships while people were just horsing around with them. In 1972 we had a guy that was hovering an old Midwest foam Cessna 172.
The only thing that has changed is the current equipment makes the hovering easier and more predictable.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 4:24:04 AM

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I so don't get this thread.

Should there be a 3D SIG? IMO yea. Been there, done that. Next.

Fiftty, the soup is fine, no need to stir the pot anymore.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 4:40:22 AM

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I think I see what 50% is getting at,either 3D is recongized as a catergory with some stipulations as to what is going to be considered safe flying or it isnt.IMO,all this catergorizing is confusing,at the end of it all,we all "sport fly".Pattern,aerobatics,3D,scale,etc,is all part of one sport,model aviation.The rules for any type of specialized craft are generally the same rules for another type.#D isnt new,as mentioned,people have been doing the moves for years.Prop hanging is what we called hovering,planes have always been able to torque roll,and these stall moves,I did them with my trainer way back when on windy days.Its just gotten down on the deck now.I see the concern for "hogging" the runway and flying too close to other pilots,these are the basic rules of the AMA and any local club Ive ever been to.I like watching a good 3D routine,but a plane that just goes around in a hover,bouncing off the ground and never really flying is about like watching a scalewarbird doing a scale flight,5 min and Ive seen enough.Fly the pattern,throw in a trick here and there,land,give the station to someone else.Not real difficult.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 12:13:51 PM

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I think I see what 50% is getting at,either 3D is recongized as a catergory with some stipulations as to what is going to be considered safe flying or it isnt.IMO,all this catergorizing is confusing,at the end of it all,we all "sport fly".Pattern,aerobatics,3D,scale,etc,is all part of one sport,model aviation.

That's close enough. From what I've seen, 3D is considered "stupid" by a good part of the AMA and I would like the AMA to actually acknowledge it by saying that it is just as good as normal circle burning. To each his own, but they're equals. I don't have any troubles with being able to fly 3D at any field, but this does come up occasionally.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/6/2006 1:37:31 PM

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I only want the AMA to recognize with some written statement that 3D as good as sport flying...

There's your answer, macr0t0r. Like certain other groups have been doing for years, what we're seeing here is an attempt to be categorized as "normal".

Your earlier post about annoying stunts, etc., was spot on. The guys who demand their "right" to fly any way they choose, regardless of others' desires, are the ones causing the controversy. Just like the same sort of irresponsible jerk with a