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Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 4:36:10 PM

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Should the AMA legislate against 3D flight? The AMA has pretty much ignored 3D flight. With 3D being the dominant force in RC, where does the AMA turn? Nowhere! I think it's time that the AMA recognize 3D flight or legislate against it. Personally, I think that if they go against it, they will have plenty of trouble.

In many local clubs all across the country, there is a battle of the sport pilots and pattern/IMAC versus the 3D pilots. Unfortunately, this bug has bitten a local club in my area. I know of a few clubs that have died to this bug. It's past time that the AMA address this issue. If they don't, they will continue to lose members. I know about 20 folks who got into RC and became AMA members because of 3D flight. With RC 3D is influencing the full scale pilots now, the time is most definitely here!

So, what can be done about this? Is this a leadership issue, or has Dave Brown never heard of 3D before? What will it take to get the AMA to actually act?

I'm posting this to stir thought. I'm sure if you read this forum enough, you probably know what to do.

Please folks, lets do it! The AMA needs a push. The question is do we kick them out of the cradle or dig them up?

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 5:06:10 PM

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this is a new one to me. Who's going against it? I know allot of the old fogies see it as a safety issue since they haven't figured out how to do it themselves. I only time I get crap is when I pogo down the runway on the rudder when certain guys are flying. It's a pretty strong statement to say it's the dominant force, I would disagree with that. Has major influence but I wouldn't call it a dominate force. Giant scale and jets have allot more pull still. I still think the dominant force is pylon racing. The AMA it seems is just now catching up with it since 3D is still relatively new idea. I've been hovering models since 95 but I don't think they gave it a name till 99 or 00. seem like they just started allowing the maneuvers in giant freestyle aerobatics around that time. I still find this form of flying boring. I much rather race

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 5:08:48 PM

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The AMA is fine, it's up to the individual clubs to determine what to allow at their fields.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 5:16:09 PM

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We have beeing going through the same thing for years with helicopters. Its getting more so now with the 200 to 300 dollar 30 and 50 sized helis getting more popular, simulators and heading hold gyros are making it extremely easy to be successful with a heli.

The key is communication, and noboy getting the idea that their style of flying owns the field. Take turns, act like adults and in most cases everyone is happy.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 5:22:06 PM

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3D flight just confuses a few clubs because it is essentially a cross-breed of plane and heli acrobats. Many clubs give helis their own section so that their hover maneuvers don't block the runway. 3D planes, since they are planes, use the runway and then hover in front of it. This can cause issues for fly-bys, possbily block another pilot's view, and can just be annoying having a pick plank of foam bouncing in front of your face when you're trying to fly. Some clubs have disallowed hovering maneuvers in front of the pilot boxes for this reason. In my opinion, it is perfectly reasonable to do so.

I do 3D flying, but I usually go to the end of the runway so I can hover off to the side and away from the other pilots. This also gives me plenty of reaction time to move away if someone needs to use it. If available, I use the heli area when not in use. It's not like I need a runway, and the heli area was made specifically for these type of maneuvers.

3D pilots who hover in front of other pilots while taking up the runway are RUDE. 3D Pilots who complain about being "oppressed" when a club is forced to make a "no hovering" rule are just ignorant of how distracting and obstructive it can be to the other pilots. I do both Park Flying and Site flying. If you can't handle sharing airspace with other pilots, then go find a park until you learn some manners.

I don't think AMA needs to get involved with this. They have enough on their plate. Besides, each club has a different layout, so its best to leave it up to the club staff and members to devise the best solution for 3D flyers. Usually they either get the heli area, or a patch of ground off to the side at one end of the runway. Besides, there's more to flying than just bobbing like a fish on a line.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 5:52:44 PM

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The above post says things very well. It is all to easy to make judgements based on limited perspectives. What works for one group and their field can be a real problem at another site. As the above psoter said learn to size up the situation and act accordingly.

As for 3-D being dominant that again is a relative term. I just returned from a 3 day fly in that brought people in from several states. Out of the 80 plus pilots and three hundred airplanes there was five flying 3-D.

They caused no particular problems and got no more or less attention than anyone else. Everybody just watched out for each other and it all worked fine.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:04:23 PM

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3D flight just confuses a few clubs because it is essentially a cross-breed of plane and heli acrobats.

This is the point of what I'm trying to say. I was flying my RCU bipe and I pulled up into a hower and torq roll a month or two ago. This older gentelman who had just gotten back into the hobby was shocked at that. He had never heard of 3D before. Now, to be clear here, I'm not amilg this thread at foamies and parkflyers. I'm talking about Funtana .40's and up. Gas or glow powered planes. Some clubs have banned them and others endorse them. The AMA has said nothing. 3D flight fuels the RC hobby more than any other aspect of this hobby whether you like it or not. You had to fly 3D to be able to win the TOC. All the top pilots are known for flying 3D. Take a look at Team RCU. All the airplane guys fly 3D all the time. Take a look at full scale aerobatics. how many top pilots aren't flying 3D? NONE! THe power is getting much better as well and they can almost hover.

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It's a pretty strong statement to say it's the dominant force, I would disagree with that. Has major influence but I wouldn't call it a dominate force. Giant scale and jets have allot more pull still.

I see more 3D flying with the Giant scale and I don't see many jets, but 3D jets are coming onto the scene. I will agree that I worded it wrong.

3d is the dominant force fueling RC right now. From park flyers to Giant scale. 3D is big! The AMA is nowhere. That's my concern.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:10:12 PM

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What do you expect of the AMA to do about it? 3D is just a form of RC flying, slow and mostly stalled. They give us the tools, we do the rest.

If you're motivated in what you want the AMA to do for you, why don't you start an SIG, and take it upon youself to create a "special interest" the way you want it done.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:14:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: 50%plane
With 3D being the dominant force in RC

Huh ? When did that come about ?

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:16:42 PM

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I'm trying to get the AMA with the times. This isn't 1948! 3d flight has been around for at least 57 years and the AMA still hasn't done anything about it.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:21:21 PM

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The only thing I would be concerned about is if a particular style of flying or particular plane was being outlawed, country wide. Let the fields handle the planes and leave the AMA out of it. If you don't like the fields ideas, go to another one. Look at the AMA like it is the Federal Government. They should make SOME rules and SOME suggestions but they should not make them all.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:23:07 PM

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I'm not asking that the AMA make rules for 3D flight. I just want the AMA to recognize 3D flight as a viable way to fly an RC plane.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:23:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: 50%plane

I'm trying to get the AMA with the times. This isn't 1948! 3d flight has been around for at least 57 years and the AMA still hasn't done anything about it.

Maybe you haven't noticed the various AMA mags with 3D planes on the cover?

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:27:52 PM

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Maybe you haven't noticed the various AMA mags with 3D planes on the cover?

I have. Also I've noticed a few other things in MA, but nothing directly from the AMA.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:34:55 PM

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For the record, "new and increasingly popular" does not necessarily mean "dominant." The dominant force is the Pattern and Sport flyer. However, 3D is relatively new and becoming increasingly popular. Dominant is when you see 4 pilots flying 3D while 1 or 2 are doing sport flying. Anyhow...

AMA is not going to force a club to permit a style of flying. 50%plane, if I may ask...what EXACTLY is the ban that you are referring to? At one club, the rule was, "Pilots are not to hover or conduct stall-maneuvers over the runway in front of the pilot boxes. Such maneuvers are to be conducted beyond the runway, to either side beyond the pilot boxes, or in the helicopter flying area when no helicopters are present." The reason for the rule is that not only was it distracting to the other pilots, but it also made for a dangerous situation if the 3D pilot got disoriented while hovering admist 3 other pilots. It was a very reasonable rule in my opinion.

Your post is too vague for me to judge if it is reasonable or not.

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RE: Legislating against 3D flight - 6/5/2006 6:39:03 PM

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I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. I do things for the enjoyment of it and I don't care if it is recognized by others.

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