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Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/5/2006 6:59:49 PM

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It seems like all the crawlers i see are electric. Does anyone have a sweet nitro crawler? why are electric crawlers more popular than nitro ones? help me out on this one...

RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/10/2006 6:57:54 AM

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Nitro simply does not have the torque like electric, electric is much more convienent, longer run times, no tuning.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/10/2006 3:44:05 PM

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Nitro crawler!!!!!!!!!

That's a good one.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/21/2006 3:32:25 AM

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Go post on RCC an ask Dirk to show you his nitro crawler.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/21/2006 5:48:08 AM

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I'm sorry, I don't want to discourage all those w/ nitro trucks that are interested in crawling, but the two just don't mix.

It's like trying to use a Clod Monster truck as an oval racer. It will go around the track, but it won't be competitive!

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 11:57:20 AM

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Nitro crawler? It honestly depends on your expectations. If you like nitro and want to go have a little fun, yes you can make a nitro crawler. Are electric rigs better at crawling and more popular? Sure, but that doesn't mean electric is the only way that is allowed. It's all about realistic expectations. 2.2 crawlers are popular and allowed to exist without getting flamed, but they aren't as capable as super or unlimited crawlers. I love my 2.2 rig, but I know it won't go up a lot of what my Super crawler can climb. Yesterday, I went to a local racetrack to shoot some video of the HPI 5B for RCCA. While I waited for my co-worker to set up, I turned some laps with an electric Stampede. Ask any diehard racers if the Traxxas Stampede makes a good race truck, and they'll laugh and act all high-and-mighty and tell you no way. But, the Stampede went around the track just fine. I was having fun. I even put down faster laps than I guy with a fully race-prepped Revo because I kept the truck off the pipes. I had fun.

Bottom line: do what you want to do. If you want a nitro crawler, build one. It won't be as good as an electric crawler, but that's not always what this hobby is about. The Internet seems to be a magnet for close-minded know-it-alls who live for the chance to force their opinion down someone's throat. These people see no difference between opinion and fact. All of their opinions are facts as far as they're concerned. So, take everything with the proverbial grain of salt and go have fun.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 7:52:19 PM

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The Internet also seems to be a magnet for pampas RC magazine writers who love to blow smoke up peoples butt. They tend to think their "journalism" degree increases their knowledge of EVER know aspect of the sport.

I have 20+ years of RC experience. I raced 1/10 scale off road buggy and trucks. Raced stock and modified. Entered numerous ROAR and NORRCA events and series. I've raced 1/10 and 1/12 on road and oval races, 1/4 scale dirt oval sprint cars, and numerous endurance races as well as my crawling experience.

I am also the test driver for several crawler chassis projects (XL4 2.2, XRC 2.2, and an upcoming competition tube chassis). So I feel more than a little qualified to make the statement that I did.

Look Matt, if you want to continue this belief that a Nitro truck can be a crawler, then that just peachy. You need to provide some facts to back up your claim. As it is now, it's just another "know it all" w/ an OPINION!

The reality of the matter is this, a Nitro powered vehicle can run on some rocks, this is true. This doesn't make it a ROCK CRAWLER. I know this is a bit hard you you to grasp.

Bring ANY, and I mean ANY nitro powered "crawler" to a crawling competition or GTG and it will fail miserably!

Yes it can be driven on some rocks, so can my B4, does that make it a rock crawler? How about my Tamiya tank, it can also crawl on some rocks. Does that qualify? That fact that it can be driven in a certain environment (like your Stampede on the race track) doesn't mean that is now a crawler.

Your statement about the 2.2 class being "allowed to exist" shows your ignorance of the crawling world. The 2.2 is the most popular class in crawling. The reason for it's popularity is that they are more scale in appearance and more importantly, because they require more skill to drive.

2.2's and Super class crawlers regularly compete on the same course in competition. The fact that a 2.2 can traverse the same obstacles as the supers is a tribute to the skills of the driver and the capability of the 2.2.

Allowed to exist? Your hilarious Matt! Surely as a writer for that bastion of rock crawling knowledge RCCA, you know this, right?

As for trying to force my opinion down any ones throat, that's BS plain and simple!

Facts are facts Matt! FACT is, a nitro truck IS NOT a crawler. The term "crawl" and "nitro" go together as well as "RCCA" and "impartial reporting"!

Because YOU want to play up to the 80% of the market that is dominated by "Nitro" doesn't mean it's so!

You have had your OPINION handed to you on a silver platter several times on this matter on RCC, as you simply cannot back up your claim, plain and simple.

PROVE ME WRONG Matt! Show me a nitro rig that is a capable (not competition worthy) crawler. I'd I will back off the matter.

It's that simple. Time to put up, or shut up!

Dez

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 8:09:18 PM

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I seemed to have touched a nerve with you, Dez. You're entitled to your opinion and I am as well. Read my post above. I say and believe it's all a matter of personal taste and expectations. If you want to let that fire you up enough to go on that long rant, so be it. I'm not out to convince you of anything and I never will be able to. You keep mentioning a nitro truck "failing." Whether it succeeds or fails is based only on the owner's expectations. Not everyone will be as hardcore into rock crawling as you. Some kid might be perfectly happy driving his Revo around some rock piles. If that's what he calls rock crawling, so be it.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 8:41:30 PM

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So, by your definition, if my nitro onroad car runs over some pebbles I can call it a rock crawler?

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 8:43:45 PM

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There is a CLEAR difference bewteen rock crawling and driving on some rocks...some young kid driving over a few small rocks in his moms rock garden with his tmaxx isnt rock crawling, its driving over rocks with his tmaxx

Im with Dez and he has pretty much has stated how I feel already as well.

Mike

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 8:54:41 PM

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No, I don't think someone driving over some pebbles is rock crawling. Is that question even needed? I do think somebody can modify a Revo or T-Maxx or whatever to be a rock crawler if they want to. I have never said that a nitro vehicle is the best choice for rock crawling. It's not and I will never own one. I have never said a nitro is as capable as an electric. We all know that electrics are better suited for rock crawling, but nitro rock crawlers are fine--if that's what someone wants. IT'S ALL ABOUT EXPECTATIONS! Is a Stampede a race truck? Nope, but if two guys show up at the track on Sunday and race against each--they're racing. Will a T4 smoke 'em. Sure will, it's a purpose-built and very capable race machine. So, if some kid asked me if he could race his Stampede. I'd say sure. I wouldn't convince him he was going to win, but I wouldn't turn him away.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 9:18:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: MattHiggins

No, I don't think someone driving over some pebbles is rock crawling. Is that question even needed? I do think somebody can modify a Revo or T-Maxx or whatever to be a rock crawler if they want to. I have never said that a nitro vehicle is the best choice for rock crawling. It's not and I will never own one. I have never said a nitro is as capable as an electric. We all know that electrics are better suited for rock crawling, but nitro rock crawlers are fine--if that's what someone wants. IT'S ALL ABOUT EXPECTATIONS! Is a Stampede a race truck? Nope, but if two guys show up at the track on Sunday and race against each--they're racing. Will a T4 smoke 'em. Sure will, it's a purpose-built and very capable race machine. So, if some kid asked me if he could race his Stampede. I'd say sure. I wouldn't convince him he was going to win, but I wouldn't turn him away.

Matt is 100% correct its all about expectations.........build a nitro crawler and just dont expect to do any crawling

So Matt tell us all how YOU would build a NITRO crawler? what gearing? what clutch setup? how about brakes? how would you overcome stalling while in any type of bind situation? realistically what would your expectations be for a nitro crawler? enquiring minds want to know!?

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 9:35:41 PM

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I'm not intro nitro, and I wouldn't build a nitro crawler. I do, on occassion, race nitro, but I am into electric the way Kevin Hetmanski is into nitro. So, to answer your question: I would build it the way Kevin did. He built what he wanted to build. It can't do what my Super crawler can do, but it's nitro and he likes it. The clutch is holding up fine and it does what he wants it to.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 9:46:50 PM

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I think the point some of these guys are trying to make is this. When someone comes on a board asking
about a nitro crawler they are told not to persue it more because of their expectations.

What I'm getting at is most people asking about nitro crawlers are new to the sport of crawling in general.
It would suck for someone to go out and spend the kind of money it would take to build a truck that
will not live up to what they see in pictures and video on that same BBS. Ultimately turning them off
to crawling in general because of wasted time and money. Nobody wants that.

In all honesty I seriously doubt that anyone who has experience with RC rockcrawling would even consider
building a nitro rig. I know I woudn't.

Remember the nitro X-Factor at RCX? He built that truck with rockcrawling in mind, but was unable to even
get up the first level. Then it broke. This was an experienced nitro racer, or so I was told.

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 9:48:46 PM

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Just as I thought you have no clue.

You would make one heck of a politician though.....you dance around questions better than most senators!

You are gonna spout this misinformation and some kid is gonna think his tmaxx will be a bomb of a crawler and take it out seize the motor. rape a few alxes or worse and have the total wrong impression of the sport.........So what is your definition of crawler?

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RE: Nitro Crawlers?? - 6/22/2006 9:49:00 PM