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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/21/2006 1:57:55 PM   
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Hey guys I have the bisson inverted Pitts muffler for my Evolution 26gt do you thank it will work OK for the yak. I will be ordering the plane soon.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/23/2006 3:22:46 AM   
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guys i got 6 flights on the 73" yak tonight with the 3W 28cc. the plane flys like a QQ yak should...GREAT! the 3dub has good power and with a little break in and a better prop i think it's going to be ok. as it is pull out is a little slow but will pull out. i didn't install the cowl because i wasn't sure i would leave the engine on but now i think i will. it balanced out with no problem with only one elevator servo in the tail and the UPS scale said it weighs less than 12 lbs. after i order some props to try and burn a little more fuel through her i will let you know how it is doing.

still a happy QQ yak flyin dude

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/23/2006 3:53:42 AM   
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Great news! Thanks for Sharing Randy. Also very good news on the weight!

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/23/2006 4:12:56 AM   
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i had to join the elevator halves and use one servo, no wheel pants, or spinner to get that weight.

do any of you have ideas about what prop to use on the 3dub 28? the best i have is a beila(spell?) 18-8. i'm getting 7600 to 7800 rpm. the book said a 18-10 is a mid point to start with but i didn't have one so i'm thinking of ordering a Xoir 18-10 and 18-8 to try and also a Menz 18-10. any thoughts would be helpfull.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/23/2006 6:12:43 PM   
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Randy:

Good to see the 3W 28I is working well for you. Thought I would save some install grief with the elvo 26, but looks like things are going to be tight in front. Got a Bison inverted pitts as that one looked like the best fit ansswer for the cowel. Actually, it blocks off almost all use of the left side of the motor. The walboro carb may work a little better than the bing, but so far, I am doing a lot of cutting and arm mods to make the thing work. I hate bing carbs because they kicked me over the handlebars way too many times on a Maco 450 bike in the 80s. No big deal, just a not needed pain in the rear. A few picks from QQ would be worth their weight in gold to me right now, but support is much better than most. Will probably get it in the air this weekend, will not cut out cowell yet as probably will need to go with the tuned pipe as a safety margin for my dumb thumbs. Keep the info coming!! ENJOY

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/24/2006 3:12:02 AM   
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i got several more flights on the 3w today, pull out is still slow but ok. still need to try some more props. i am going to cut the cowl and install i still think it's a keeper but if you want over powered pull out this may not me the right combo. give me a little time to find the right prop and finish break in and i will let you know. the plane flys great at 12lbs but wouldn't want it any heavyer. those of you going with the OS 160 will have a great flying plane for sure, you should come in under 11 lbs and have very good pull out. if i didn't hate glow goop so bad i might install a 160......not a chance!!!!!

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/24/2006 2:22:33 PM   
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Hey Randy,

Glad to see you got her running. You might try a 3W 18X8 or a Skorepa 18X8.


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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/24/2006 2:24:22 PM   
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Sorry for the double post. Too quick on the button. Do you think the 3W tuned canister system would work and fit the engine box area like one the Extra Fun? There are some installation pics of it on the Cactus Aviation site.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/24/2006 8:27:53 PM   
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Hi Folks! First let me tell you all how much I've enjoyed reading all these postings on the QQ Yaks. I've learned a lot. While I'm only in my second year of flying 40 and 60 sizes, I'm working my way up (quick). I have recently purchased a 72" QQ Yak model I plan to work on this winter. I'm still saving $$ and buying servos and such for the rebuild. Please control your laughter while I ask this stupid question. Why can the 73" handle a Gas engine and the 72" not? Does a 1/2" of wing area on each side make that much difference?

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/25/2006 5:17:16 AM   
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n8kny,

It's not about a plane being a glow or gas design... it's about new engine releases in the gasser class that provide lightweight small displacement gas engines that suit large nitro planes.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/25/2006 12:05:58 PM   
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That's kinda what I thought but I needed to ask. I also thought that maybe the frame/engine mount design would not suit the gas engines and some modification might be needed. Sounds like this Evolution 26gt engine would work well. I'll put it on my shopping list! Thanks.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/25/2006 3:03:42 PM   
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Eventhough the span is 1" larger than the 72" but 73" has 6% more wing area. You can use a very light weight gas engine such as Evo26 on the 72" but your wing loading will be slightly higher.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/25/2006 3:12:21 PM   
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For me, at higher altitude, the video of Quique flyin the EVO26 is not impressive at all. It would be very cool to have a gasser in this plane, but the EVO26 is the worng engine. It needs more power. There are some MVVS and Zenoah engines that would be better choices.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/25/2006 3:18:50 PM   
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The video was made to help you guys make the right decision based on your expectations. It wasn't meant to sell you the engine! The shots were taken such you can see the pull out of the hovers and overall performance of the engine without hiding anything. As long as you can keep the RTF weight under 12 lbs and it's not a 40cc or up engine, you guys can put any engine you want. For higher altitude, I don't even recommend a gas engine. I think glow is the way to go.

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RE: 73" yak evolution 26gt - 7/25/2006 4:00:37 PM   
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Reza, I know you've already warned about a 40cc on this rig and it's duly noted, but have you looked at the Brillelli 40GT? It's an improved version of the SPE 40, and among other things, Scott balances the crank and has a custom hub machined that runs true and has knurling for a better prop grip. Here's what Scott had to say in an email, and I hope he doesn't mind the reference:

"I usually do not bad mouth other engines, but I have a lot of experience with the SPE engines so I
feel I have the right The stock 40 is a paint shaker for vibration. Also the
Chineese ignition is a pile of crap. I sent one to CH for testing and it failed
within 1 hour of run time. They have an electric motor they run them on and it
started arcing inside in about 40 min. Spark was jumping in the EI unit from
time to time after about 40 min and would have eventually failed as a carbon
path was made. I buy the engines with no EI, ballance the crankshaft, do some
polish work to them to dress them up, install pressure taps for smoke, replace
the way too small carb with a larger one, install a new single bolt prop hub,
and install CH EI. The origional prop hubs do not run true. Plus there is no
Knurling on them so the prop will spin on the hub pretty easy. Also the 40's I
do are a couple ounces lighter than a stock SPE 40. Mine are 3lbs 3oz with EI.
Most of that is due to my lighter prop hub. Power on ours is higher as well.
That is mainly due to the larger carb. As for the larger props they are
suggesting now, that is mainly due to the ignition unit not firing properly at
high rpm. If they get the rpm's down, then thier EI works better. CH will fire
at 10,000+ all day long. The 40 works best on a 20x8 for 3D, and an 18x8 or
18x10 for other types of flying."

Now I'm NOT saying this engine would be the BEST for this particular airframe, as my EVO w/muffler/ignition weighs 43oz and the Brillelli 40 weighs 51oz, but it seems to be a good performer for planes around that size. Since I don't know much about wingloading other than making sure my AUW is within what other people are getting and usually using the recommended motor, but I'd think 51oz would be at the high end for loading.

There's a couple of guys floating around (pun intended) here that have the 40's on their planes and think they're great. One is a 73" WH Edge and there's a good video of it here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-3qH_s9HycA&search=brillelli

The other guy has a CMP 140 size Giles 202 and he's very close to flying it but says it's very smooth running mounted on the plane. I'll have the same combo when my stuff gets here, so I'm crossing my fingers and if it doesn't shake a cheapo $160 kit apart, I'm thinking it might work fine on a quality QQ Yak.

To look at suitable replacements for those that agree they'd like faster pullout than the EVO 26, the next size EVO, the 35, weighs 53oz WITHOUT the muffler, and costs $450 without the muffler. Compare that to the 51oz Brillelli which costs $325 for everything, and you can see why I'm anxious to find out how well it works. I'm not versed on other options in this size range, so let me know if you're privy to something

I guess in the end, we still have to find out how the Yak does w/ the Xoar or comparable prop in 18X6 (we're waiting guys), and possibly a tuned pipe (yes someone on here has one on this plane) and if you're still not happy with the pullout power of the EVO26 then you can try another engine, go back to glow, or step up to a 50cc rig.

I've just recently gotten into this size of plane, but it seems that things have REALLY taken off (again pun intended) here recently as far as options, so things are just going to get more exciting. As long as we have the support of the manufacturers who are willing to test things out for us, this segment will get pretty