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scottr/c -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (3/24/2008 5:19:00 AM)

sorry about the long time in responding well i got it together and it weights in about 17lbs bout i have a smoke tank and pump and all the fixings. i have a 3w 42i on it and i gotta tell it flies nice i really havent done much with it havent even took it off low rates. first flight wasnt bad but i did kill the engine with the smoke, the second went really good no problem but i had a case of the shake a bit. the motor needs to be tuned just a bit still. the thrid fight was all right just doing simple stuff a couple small knife edges some rolls and one snap roll but didnt want to push my luck like i said the motor still needs to be turned a bit better. mine balanced good with a justing the batteries around. but the last time i brought down the was a few problems like i read here before the covering started to come off the right wing. i broke 1 servo in the wing dont know how that happened and my pull pull rud came broke but shes home safe.



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (3/24/2008 5:52:54 AM)

Just nosed in my Extra 330 77" last week due to engine out from about 20 feet up. [:@]

Mashed up the cowl, broke the tubes off the muffler, and snapped the landing gear in half. The good news is the plane itself was pretty much in tact. [;)]

Glue joints behind the engine box, and in front of the wing tube broke loose, but realigned every thing, and glued up with some tri-stock, and she's as good as new.[:D] Now just waiting for the new landing gear, CF this time, hope it'll hold up better than the aluminum.

I think you should really break in the motor well before using the smoke system. Killing the engine is a tendency of a smoke sys., and see if you can program your radio to cut the smoke when the throttle is reduced below 1/2. (You may have already done that.)[8|]

I got a book on aerobatics from my LHS, and it had a section on smoke systems, how they worked, how best to rig them, and adjustments to make for greater output. If you haven't read something like this, you should. I like the smoke, I'll probably add it to my plane as well just as soon as I feel comfortable with what I know about them.[;)]

We put a lot of time and energy into these things, it is such a shame to lose them to engine failure, no matter what the cause. [:(]



scottr/c -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (3/24/2008 4:05:40 PM)

i do have it set like that and i noramly wait for about ten flights but i couldn't help my self. and about the engine runs good on the ground and in the air just when i start whipping it around it dont like it to much. my dead stick was nice glided nice that my main worry is that the balance was right but it was nice.ill get some pics. up soon



scottr/c -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (3/31/2008 9:52:41 PM)

here are some pics.



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/1/2008 2:15:03 AM)

I like the pics.[:D]

Where did you mount the smoke oil tank? How many ounces are you using for smoke oil?

(Responce to earlier post) A nice well executed dead stick is a pretty thing to watch.[sm=wink_smile.gif] I think my Extra nosed in because of the weight I had to put up front to get the CG right. With the 1.35 Moki up front, it was just wat too tail heavy, even with the battery, the radio gear and the fuel tank moved as far forward as I could get it, I still added 12 oz. of lead to balance. [:'(]

Now with the new CF landing gear, I think it should be about right. If not, I'll start to remove some of the lead.

Still waiting on ther gear though.[sm=48_48.gif] The guy called today, and said I should have it by the end of the week..We'll see.

Ken [sm=shades_smile.gif]



scottr/c -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/3/2008 2:51:08 AM)

well in that pic i dint have my fuel tank in. the tank under the wing tube is my smoke tank. i think its a 24oz du bro. here are some pics with it all together. by the way i love this plane. i want to get the bugs worked out be fore i buy the cf landing gear, tail wheel and wing tube i would hate to spend that money then crash it. the way i fly its very good chance balls to the wall, i love it.



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/3/2008 3:25:38 AM)

I see. Now I can get a feel for where the tanks all fit. BTW, I love the decals. They're new since the last post. Where'd you get them? [:D][:D]

I like the Edge, and I'd like to end up with one of the 77" models at some point. I think the Goldbergs in that size are just about finished though.

I kept looking at them, and compared them with the Wild Hare Baby Edge. I think they're both good planes, and they're priced close enough that it's not a big deal, but then I went and got a Dietrich Extra 260 50cc. Got a good deal on it, so I couldn't pass it up. [:D]

I guess the Edge will just have to wait for now.[&o]

Ken. [sm=shades_smile.gif]



scottr/c -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/3/2008 10:25:38 PM)

thanks alot let me know how that dietech works out for you. when i bought this goldberg i went to a swap meet looking for a da 50 and i found a 3w 42i and the plane. motor was used a bit but not much or he cleaned very good but anyways i also for this goldberg i think i got the plane for 265.00 and the engine for 350.00 i couldnt beat it. the thing is i really wanted a wild hare been tring to get one of them for about 2 yrs. now. that'll be my next one a extra wild hare. the decals, i make thats my side buisness premier vinyl sorry no web page but i can work something out if your intrested i do them fairly cheap i have no over head and i really dont try to make money off individuals my work comes from companies.



kochj -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/5/2008 6:06:12 PM)

TOwer has the edge for 250.00$ other discounts and it can get down to 220$.....

I am going to pick up the Goldberg 67" Yak 54...... 180.00$... with 30$ off.... that's 150.00$....

close out deal for sure.....

a 1.20 AX os with a tuned pipe will pull it fairly well...

I hope my CF gear from my Funtana 100X will work in it.....[;)]



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/6/2008 2:35:05 AM)

Scottr/c: I'll PM you about the decals. I'd be interested to see what all you've got.

Kochj: Ain't that the way life is?!? [:'(]

I've been waiting for that model to come down in price. Everything else seemed to.

This model has been anywhere from $424 down to $374, even the Lanier 87" Edge 540 was $249.99 before they ran out, and I waited too long for that one. Now the 94" Edge is $349, with discount $319. Although that's too big for my car, it's still a good deal. (While supplies last)

I just spent $830 on a Dietich Extra 260, 50cc, and a Brison 3.2 to mount in the nose. (I did really want one of these anyway, hell I want one of everything. You know how it is)

Now that I finally see that Goldberg Edge at a GREAT price,[:)][:D]
And now, NO MONEY LEFT!!! [>:][:@][:'(]

Ain't that life boys? Ain't that life? [&o]



Jinxx -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 6:27:05 AM)

Would a Saito 150 power this plane well or is it not enough?



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 8:00:31 AM)

I think that the 1.50 Saito would power this plane ok. It's in the middle of the power requirement for the plane, so expect moderate performance, maybe a little better. The Saito is a powerful engine.

I have a 1.35 Moki on my Goldberg Extra 330 77", and the same is true for that engine in the 2 stroke. I also have a 1.80 Moki I could have used, but decided to try out the 1.35 first to see what it would do. I'm happy with the performance for now, but I have the larger engine to bolt on later if I choose.

If you're going to run the 4 stroke glow engine, and you don't yet have the engine, then I'd go for the 1.80, or 2.20 Saito. You're sure to have fun with either of those. As you've read, friend Scottr/c used the 3W 42i gasser in his, and he's happy with that one.

Lots of engine choices. Make the most of the plane as you're building it up, and then there's less to redo later to make it more like what you wanted in the first place.

Happy flying. Ken



Jinxx -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 9:20:01 AM)

Thanks kamirdawg - I have a Saito 1.50 already and I am trying to find an aerobatic plane that it could power nicely. This will be my first aerobatic style plane as I have mostly been flying warbirds. I am trying to decide between maxing out a smaller plane like the Seagull Edge 540 .60 or going with this plane. I considered the Goldberg Edge 540 .60 too but the price difference between it and this 77" is only $30 (also not sure I care for the blue and orange color scheme).

If you had a Saito 1.50 and could only buy an aerobatic plane from Tower or Horizon, what plane do you think you would choose?



karldaschner -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 11:22:07 AM)

Guys

Here is my Seagull Edge completed with a RCGF 45cc petrol motor in. It flies GReaT!!! All servos (hitec HS5645's ) motor and plane (77.5inch) cost me 8500 South African Rands. That is equal to about $1100.



karldaschner -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 2:47:37 PM)

howzit Tim?



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 4:13:41 PM)

Have you checked out the Wild Hare Baby Edge or Extra? They run about $299+ shipping.

Here's the web site. http://www.wildharerc.com/products/Edge540Extra260/

These might be the right size choice for the 1.50 Saito. Take a look.

As for Tower or Horizon, I'll have to reasearch a little, and I'll respond a little later.



Jinxx -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 8:52:46 PM)

Looking forward to your response. Shipping to Hawaii is expensive for plane sized boxes so I want to order through my LHS because they don't charge for shipping. They use the Tower & Horizon distributors.



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 9:49:14 PM)

Ok, If you can only get from 2 sources, I would suggest the Great Planes Extra 300S 1.60 from Tower Hobbies. From them, this is the only other plane I can see to be more suitable for the 1.50 Saito, than the Goldberg Edge 77".

If you go through Horizon, the one plane I think I'd go for is the Seagull Edge 540 60 size. I know that there are quite a few guys using the Saito 1.25s on this plane and having real good luck with them, however 1.25 is suposed to be the max on that airframe, so you'll have to take it easy with the 1.50.

Throttle management, throttle management, and again, throttle management wil be your call to arms.

One more thing about the Seagull Edge. If you read these threads, you may find guys on here that have Seagull 1.20 sized Edge 540s. Notice that they are in places lik the UK, South Africa, New Zealand,etc... I don't think these are available (at least I have not found a source for this model) in the States. However, being in Hawaii your LHS may be able to find a source for this one. If you can get it, this also might be a good choice. Have them look around for it.

If you think about it, guys are getting them somewhere, just where is the mystery.

Hope I was helpful. Good luck with your venture. Ken[sm=shades_smile.gif]



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/7/2008 10:00:35 PM)

Jinxx, Check out the post above from karldaschner.

That's his Seagull Edge 1.20. Nice plane. [:D] PM him, and find out where he got the model from.

Let me know if you find out. Karls a nice guy.[;)]

Awhile back he sent an address to me for a guy distributing engines, but the other guy never responded.

Karldaschner knows where he got his plane. Check him out.

Ken [sm=shades_smile.gif]



Jinxx -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/8/2008 1:15:18 AM)

Thank you very much for your replies. I sent a PM to karldaschner asking about the Seagull Edge 120 that he has but he didn't have any info for me and suggested I contact Seagull. I sent an email to Seagull asking where I can buy the plane from in the USA. They replied that I "should look for it to be available in the US in a few months". Presumably through Horizon.

After alot of research and hand wringing I have decided to go with the 68" Seagull Edge 540. It should fly better on my Saito 150 than the Goldberg 77" Edge, its cheaper and it will fit in my car easier. I'll beef up the firewall somehow and practice throttle management.

Thanks again for your help!



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/9/2008 7:03:19 AM)

I think you'll really like that one. [:D]

Car size is a big issue. I'm comitted now to the Dietrich Extra 260 50cc, ( 87" wingspan, 78" length) and I know I'll have to get one of the friends to carry out to the field for me.
I barely have room in my car (Mazda3 5door hatch) for the 77" Extra 330, at 68" length.
Somehow we always can find a way. [:)]

Good luck. Let's see how she turns out.

Ken[sm=shades_smile.gif]



Jinxx -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/11/2008 12:52:34 AM)

[X(] I have the same car! It looked like I would have to have the front passenger seat all the way forward or laid down maybe in order to fit the Goldberg plane. My son comes to the field with me once in a while so it would be good to have the seat available for use. The Seagull wil be just a little longer than my P40 Warhawk so should fit ok. I'll be sure to let you know how the plane turns out but i won't be ordering it until next week Tuesday.



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/11/2008 4:49:14 AM)

I love that car![:D][:D][:D] It's not a good plane hauler though.[&o]

I have to push the seat forward, and push the seat back forward to fit the Golberg Extra inside. I think that the Edge is a few inches longer.

I usually take two .40 to .60 sized planes out to the field, and with all the gear required, there's no room for passengers. Both my kids are grown and gone, they don't care what the old man's up to, so long as it doesn't involve them, so no problem.[:)]

I may start the Dietrich this next week. I've got everything but the servos, those are an expense all of their own when talking about planes in this size range. I've got enough stuff anyway to get a good start on it until I budget the servos. I'll let you know how it goes.

Mahalo, Ken[sm=shades_smile.gif]



jrotor -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/21/2008 11:55:29 PM)

Hi,

I just bought the airplane and could you guys recommend me what servos I should use ?
I'm not looking into spending too much because I'll be flying this plane just for fun, not competition or anything similiar.

Thanks.
Jake



kamirdawg -> RE: CARL GOLDBERG 77" EDGE 540 (4/22/2008 3:26:43 AM)

Hi jrotor.

Well, on my Extra 330, I used JR sport ST126MGs @6volts they put out 142oz/in of torque. I put them in at the aileron, and elevator position. They run around $33.00 apiece. I used the Hobbico CS-150 in the pull/pull rudder position. That is a strong enough servo for this plane, at 193oz/in @6 volts, runs around $40.00. It works well enough for sport flying, and some basic aerobatics. [:)]

Now if I was to re-tool this plane, or start over with a new one, like the Edge, or Yak 54 in this size range, I would probably go with the Hitec HS5645MGs. They are 168oz/in @ 6volts, I think they cost about $55.00. I would suggest that these be used in the ailerons and elevators. I'd still use the Hobbico CS150 for the rudder.

Ok, now with that said, you'll note that there are 2 servo pockets in each wing. You only need to use the inner 2. You may want to use the outter 2, and add the extra servos in the future, but for easy, fun/sport style flying, 2 is really all you need. [)]

If you get feeling real daring, and want to upgrade later, I'd move the HS5645s from the tail, to the outter aileron pockets, and add HS5945MGs, to the elevator position, they put out 181oz/in @6 volts and are $90 apiece. For the pull/pull rudder, I'd move up to the Hitec HS5955TG, 333oz/in @6 volts. This is high dollar, $115.00[X(] (hip tip: Buy the Hobbico CS170, IT'S THE SAME SERVO, for $90)[:D]

[X(] I didn't mention that all the Hitec servos listed here, and the Hobbicos are digital. The JR sports are analog. Do your research, and make your decision. But you should definately use a 6 volt system with this plane. That will be the only way to get the torques you need, and go easy on the bank account.

Just one thing[sm=71_71.gif] What are you powering this plane with? I'm using the Moki 1.35. It works well, and I've got a Moki 1.80 to add later. These are great engines, if you can get them used, all the better. I highly recommend either for your Edge, if you haven't made a choice yet[:D]

Let's hear how it goes for you.

Ken [sm=shades_smile.gif]



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