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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/24/2006 4:54 PM

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we were running hard and in each others wake a lot trying to get the inside line etc..
we are not very courtious and we actually trade paint as we head for victory lane.

we'll even make a wide turn so someone will get buy you so you can try and pass again.

I'd rather pass than be out front by myself

I will try the tape on the canopy seams trick.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/24/2006 7:37 PM

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"Water in Vegas"
The Vegas does take on some water under running. our water came from the fact the drive shaft was screwing it in..and the back of exhaust being cut out left a big hole for prop spray and rudder spray to come in. Our fix was simple. We drilled a hole in the other side just like the one from factory for plug...threw the plug away...this way the water runs out as you run.
Now i am sure someone will say, what a about if you die in the water, will I sink. In most case if the Vegas has the exhuast cut out and if there is any chop on water she will fill with water anyways...there is no transom on the Vegas, hard to keep out water..She will not sink...the Vegas has positive flotation "foam"

If you drill a new hole in the port side of the transom, the water that comes in will drain as long as you run in forward motion...keeping you light in the race...I think Kelly has four holes in Sam's baby....he beat me so four holes maybe better then two...LOL

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/24/2006 7:49 PM

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well that answers my questoin. now where the hell is my drill???? hehe

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/24/2006 11:08 PM

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well i have seemed to cure my blowover for now,i havent had one in weeks.i added 1/2 oz of lead in front of the tank in the triangle spot. i have the strut level with the water pick up hole with a negative pitch. qwestion is the water supposed to be a stream or just splurging at full throttle?? when i make a pass slow i can see a steady stream but wide open i noticed it was just spiting out!!

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 1:58 AM

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Twisted...just so im sure. I pull out the factory plug and toss it as far as i can...leaving that drain open. And drill a few more on the other side?

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 2:11 AM

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well i have seemed to cure my blowover for now,i havent had one in weeks.i added 1/2 oz of lead in front of the tank in the triangle spot. i have the strut level with the water pick up hole with a negative pitch. qwestion is the water supposed to be a stream or just splurging at full throttle?? when i make a pass slow i can see a steady stream but wide open i noticed it was just spiting out!!

try twistedliquid racings new rudder. this will keep your engine cool and keep constant water even at high speed racing to you engine.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 2:13 AM

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Twisted...just so im sure. I pull out the factory plug and toss it as far as i can...leaving that drain open. And drill a few more on the other side?

yeap. that is what i'm doing. going to run a 4 whole set up. mine has extra noodle foam in her any way for the GPS and a watertube insolator to keep the pond water on the way in cool and not heated by the muffler heat in the cab.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 2:40 AM

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i have a question..how come every boat i have seen recently throws a rooster tail at least a couple feet back,and the vegas only throws one in a turn and it has to be a radical turn to do it?

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 2:42 AM

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Another question...about a month ago Russ posted some Hot Tips for our Vegas. And he said to put some additional sealer inside of hull. He said to take 30- minute epoxy and thin it down with alcohol (not that kind) and put an additional coat of epoxy between the back of the engine to the front of the fuel tank. To help in the cleaning of the inside of the hull. It makes sense. I have not done it (nor have i ran my boat yet) How many of you guys have done that and do you think i should?

Im thinking if im gonna do it; do it before i run it.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 3:21 AM

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one this type of boat is not to through a tail. if it is it's set up wrong. that is what i have read here. but i set mine up to through a tail and it ran much slower. less tail is better.

two the epoxy is also used to seal the crapy fiberglassing done around the wood as well. wet wood rots. so i have not done it yet as i'm waiting for mine to dry out. hehe could not wait to run her. well she will be epoxied this week and back in action saturday as soon as some one can tell me what size screw i need to put back into the strut adjustment as mine is in the bottom of the pond.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 3:35 AM

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Dirty,

One word SLIPPAGE.. the Vegas runs a submerged prop.. the prop sees very little slippage this way, that is one of the reason the boat will run so slow and say going forward.

Big rooster tail.... = Slower speeds.. the fastest boats have the narrowest thrust cone.. (small rooster tail)..

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 5:28 AM

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Let me take the time out to eplain afew thing on the Vegas.

The inside of the boat and resining the inside. The reason for this is simple...easy clean up after a day at the pond. You can purchase any 20 min. 4 hr. whatever you want for a two part epoxy...no thinning need just a stiff brush..This can be bought at your hobby store. Dont use fiberglass resin because this resin alone has no strenght with out glass. so two part epoxyis what to use. ok stripp the Vegas of alll its gadgets. If you are not sure of the layout and how to return it to a running boat, here is a simple cure for those who are new..Take photos of your boat put together..then you have a reference to put her back together. We mix our epoxy right in the floor of the boat...its going there anyways. Simple paint the inside of you boat like painting anything...make it smooth and no runs or globs...now the first part of putting down resin is a bit bumpy, but resin has a cool feature..it self levels to reveal a smooth finish.. a nice touch for you boat...now putther back together..after she dries...

Holes in the Vegas for draining...WHY DO I HEAR DRILLS RUNNING???

All you need is a second hole in the port side of the transom. No biggy. I have not seen a dry Vegas yet..and if it is...its because its on the table waiting to go out.

Now I will mention one thing. IF YOU HAVE NOT BROKE YOUR BOAT IN AND DO NOT HAVE IT RUNNING TO YOUR PLANNED DESIRE, PLEASE DONT DRILL HOLES IN YOUR BOAT AND KEEP YOUR PLUG IN TILL YOU ARE CONFINDENT OF A SMOOTH RUNNING BOAT. The object to driling the holes is the fact your boat stays running forward, if you put holes in a bad running boat, you will be cleaning water out of you motor all day...but if she is running like you want...and fact of stopping in the middle of the lake has just went by by. Meaning you have a dry boat.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 5:32 AM

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with the multiple holes in the back the backend of the boat it will sink down to the top of the back deck, I think that the radio box alone being sealed is what keeps the boat from going down any further. i think adding foam adds weight that will take some of the speed away the vegas has plenty of floation stock. hey dirty have you tried playing with the wing to lift the back of the boat thus keeping the nose down? the lack of rooster tail to me means that all that thrust is pushing water, I sell big boat for my day job and tell guys all the time that a rooster tail above the hood of the outboard is a waste of thrust speedometer tell us that. Sam of course wants to shoot the biggest roostertail he can ITS COOL. just got back from club meeting tonite, we are having a IMPBA race here august 12-13 and i have to tell you I am excited to say we are going to have a rtr class run. amazing how fun these little boats are to run and it is incredible to see the NEW people getting started in the sport of competative racing.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 5:37 AM

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Grim is 100% right!!! Guys say to me all the time...Man!!! You see that rooster tail he is throwing...I respond...Ya!!! I see how slow he going...the Vegas has this "super tuned" point...I call it...its when the rooster of the Vegas is no higher then the top of the whale tail...But shooting back 6 ft or less. This setting means..hall butt in Vegas lauguage...Matter of fact AquaCraft has put out a new video today from thier site on the Vegas..30 sec but good...check out the tails on these boats....low and steady...

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 2:19 PM

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guys,

i need to know how you guys would set up your bouys for a race course for the miss vegas we have a good pond close to home now that the water is high and a really great pond around 15 minutes away iregardless of water height.

we are only using one marker at each end of the pond and the other guys tend to get too agressive and turn too quickly aroind the marker .This is good for me because they cavitate and i can pass them but they will also cut to sharp and slide into me.

The later caused considerable but not unrepairable damage to my new pride and joy last evening..

I want to set up the course so we have to make wide sweeping turns muck like i've seen on some videos.

I have no idea how the markers should be put out so any help would be appreciated.

I did come up with an idea partly my own and partly copied from this site for bouys.
Take a pool noodle with a hole in it, cut it off around 12"long, glue a dowel in it, drill a 1/4" hole in the exposed end of the dowel.Put a zip tie trough the hole in the dowel and fasten the zip tie loosly.

Tie one end of your string to the heavy anchor and the other end goes thru the zip tie and then fastened to a lighter anchor.

what this does is make the homemade noodle like popsicle stand up perfectly straight with all the damaging causing stuff way below the waterline/boat. you can smoke them and keep going.

We find these more user friendly than bleach or plactic pop bottles.

Terry

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 2:58 PM

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The IMPBA rule book, section K, section K has information on setting up a course. While following these guidelines may be overkill for a course that's just being setup for fun, it does give some specifications and drawings that may be helpful.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 10:11 PM

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i only mentioned the rooster tail because at a boat club meeting i went to sunday,all the boats were 1/8 scale gas boats and they were shooting some big rooster tails. they dont have any nitro power only gas,so i was told i could run with the out riggers."the what".i dont care what anybody says i was not putting the vegas out there to get a bath and it seemed unfair to race an rigger when i would get lapped before i hit the second turn.wheres the fun in that..plus i was told nobody runs nitro anymore,just gas.i said tell that to rc universe nitro forum.so back to the lake alone again!!!!!

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/25/2006 10:55 PM

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Hang in there, the district is not entirely gas. I was told similar things last year. My club now has about 8 boats competing in Sport 20 tunnel. We've also got people running 20 and 40 mono and 4 people in the club have .40 riggers, none of which were being run at the start of last year. As the price of gas boats and engines continues to soar, it wouldn't be surprising to see people "rediscovering" smaller and cheaper nitro boats. Kind of funny, eh? One of the main selling points of the move to gas is that they were cheaper. The search for the elusive extra 1/2 mph continues to push the price of gas racing higher and higher. If you really want to mess with them, put your Miss Vegas out there with the 20 riggers. While they might be lapping you at the start, you'd be surprised how many of them don't complete the required 6 laps! See if there are people with other boats that have similar speeds, even if they're a different class, and suggest that you all run together.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 2:38 AM

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guys,

we got a good course setup and much more driver /boat friendly.

Tonight my boat was way off .It ran slower and i had to come out really rich on the hsn to get any kind of speed and it would still rev up in the turns and then when the prop loaded up in the straights it would die off.
Even when i was way richer than my buddy and richer than i had been running it sounded like it has a miss in the engine on the straights.

If i went in on the hsn then it would get very lean and would nOt plane or pipe up.

i tried the following one at a time.new plug, different fuel, raised my prop but could not get decent speed and was getting smoked by another vegas he was flying and we had the same setup.
He could go around the turns with almost no different sound in the engine and pulled down the whole straightaway.

I did find some dirt in my fuel tank and it is unscreened as i am using the airplane style tank which had been working great.
I cleaned the tank and the hsn assembly and will try again wednesday.

I do not think i leaned out the engine, the exhaust coupler is good fuel lines are good pressure line to tanks is good
Anyone have any suggestions

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 3:15 AM

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Check the tuck angle of the rudder. the rudder is the number one cause of what you are talking about. the further you tuck it under the more load it places on the engine in the corners.. this makes it much easer to tune the boat all around.

Also.. make sure you start your tuning with a hot plug.. Odonnell red, K+B 1-L or MC-59.. this will help get the ignition timing right on the motor.. and it will help to let you know when you have reached the edge of your needle setting. Once you have a good setting you can go to a cold plug.. you will have to lean down a bunch for the cold plug but they do last longer.

Keep testing.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 3:27 AM

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On the extra foam.. I used 1" copper pipe insulation. I cut and glued it along the back where I opened it up for air. It fit in there real nice and shouldn't cause any blockage of air. I also placed a piece in the front right under where the window is. I figured instead of placing lead weight to prevent blow overs I'll add a little light weight foam and see if it stays down. I can always go back later The top floated in the sink/no sink test. Its low in the water but it stays up. All in all I think I have about 6 to 8 inches of the 1" copper pipe insulation glued in.

On the epoxy.. I painted mine in just lick twisted said and boy it looks nice and it cleans up really well.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 7:19 AM

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Dirty...Let me inform you....um the Vegas will out run the gas 1/8 scale boats if you got it tune right..do it every week...I let the 1/8 Bud and LLumar we have at our club case me...it kind of like a greyhound on a rabbit...Nitro forever!!!! Far as I am concerned fun should be worth 26.00 bucks a gallon...

I like Gas but i will say this....gas is problems to me..I have ran nitro boats many more times with pleasure, then any gas boat...There is something about a weed eater in my boat.

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 6:43 PM

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well after reading all the positive post on this boat i went and purchased one from tower only 230.00 bucks what a deal , now if aquacraft could get the v24 going a little better that would be nice. bryan

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 8:41 PM

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Welcome to the Miss Vegas Family and good luck.

Great price by the way

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RE: AquaCraft U-18 Miss Vegas Hydro Thread_Make it Fast! - 7/26/2006 9:09 PM

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Welcome to the Miss Vegas Family and good luck.

Great price by the way

thanks i did not really need another boat ,just got a 64 inch bonzoi last week.but its just to cool of a little boat.plus it looks fast.bryan

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