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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 1:21 AM   
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Ouch popper. That was cold.



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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 1:25 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 1:39 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 2:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		support and quality? Its advertising lol!

In order to sell something or grab the attention of potential buyers... Redcat racing has to ADVERTISE. Forward this message to darin, he wont advertise! If the company dies, you know why

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 2:57 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 3:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		i've been here for the longest time entity. I just have a 1/8... maybe thats why i have to argue with your durability claim

Maybe u should push the cane a little harder in sales? damn fine vehicle, i love mine.
I've got the prices of what it costs to advertise in magazines... i can send them to those who want to place an ad in rcca, rccar, rc411 or rc driver.

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 4:19 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 4:25 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 4:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		i dont think they are looking for immediate recognition, they are looking long term, slowly get the name out while improving their product, i dont think they have been out a year yet. Who ever is buying them is taking the money away from another company. I think they got their name out thier pretty good considering they are not around a year yet. i do think their new lines are too expensive and i think that is what is hurting them, they should have stuck to their original models, maybe added their 1/16th truck and the stadium truck. They also need to price thier upgrades a better, they are way to high priced. They were able to get me to buy 2 of their products, i have many other "name brand" rc's but still bought them anyways, i couldnt resist the price. Thats why i think their pro models are too much $$$$$$$$$$. i am sure if you ask any dealer their less expensive models are way outselling the pro's.

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 5:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		look how long irc has been around... or any other company for that matter. RR has been around for 8 months now? and they still have yet to advertise... period. They still have yet to send a car out for a review...that ISN"T RCU. RCU's reviews are meaningless lol. If you read enough of them, you can see how repetative they are.

For those of us who know how the industry works, these guys have to do something SOON. So what if you spend a few hundred bucks on a ad in a magazine. They seem to think that RCU is the rc source for the world... yeah right! The # of people who subscribe to any magazine alone, dwarf RCU.

Notice how many people come in here asking what redcat is... and redcat "advertises" here on rcu... and the people STILL don't know what redcat racing is. Thats bad advertising.

The reason the "pro" cars aren't selling is, who wants a vehicle with all aluminum? PRO to me means PROFESSIONAL, as in higher quality, something for an expert. So what, they throw all aluminum on there and keep the .28 engine and terrible radio. Thats not a "PRO" kit!

Advertising is what is hurting redcat racing. The lack of it can lead to out of business.

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 5:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then why did you buy a redcat if they are going out of business. By the way, how long have to been in the RC business, i thought you were like 19 years old, that would mean your like a year out of highschool. This site has hundreds of thousands of users, i dont think many rc mags can say the same. Serious advertising costs serious $$$. I am sure an eight month old company is not ready to spend big bucks on adv.

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 6:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		i never said they are going out of business. I bought it because i know the roots of it. No one else really knows what the hell a redcat is... how are these hundreds of thousands of people supposed to find out w/o advertising???

Rc car action publishes more issues per month than there are users on RCU, period. Think about it...

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 6:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Once again relying on the old school brains cells...racers wanted lighter and stronger...and we used to stay away from aluminum...on my old pan car, I had replaced the AE onroad nylon with some thin titanium front arms, but after losing an A main at a regional race cause it bent up too far after getting stuffed in the wall, I went back, I used to run the slightly weaker graphite rear axle instead of the aluminum, or titanium because of weight vs strength...All cars I used to run were no worse off (in most cases stronger than) stock, and I still had to add weight to every car I raced to make class limits...bashers want aluminum...pro's, or racers want more power and lighter...graphite, carbon fiber, high grade plastic, whatever...

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 6:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bro, i dont know how old you are but i am 37 and have been in the hobby for over 20 years. i had the rc10lso, bolinks, rc10l etc. i used to race the onroads so i know all about weight, aluminum and graphite. I was just saying that recats pro versions (no matter what they are made of) are outpriced in the market, would you rather have a volcano sv pro or a jato 3.3? (i am sure kemo will have something to say about it). My lhs sells the 2.5jato for $325 and the jato 3.3 for $399. The sv pro is going for $399 on redcats site. I am not putting them down, my volcano stx runs great and i paid $179 new for it on ebay and i am very happy about it. I have had no problems with the truck except for 1 stripped sput gear in like 20+tanks of fuel.

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 7:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm still having problems with these nitros...but part of it is I just don't have the time to work on them like I'd like, or to run them when I get them back together, but I'm pretty sure I got it this time, 'cause it RAN good, just had no get up and go (1/10 buggy)...all the leaks are good...I think it was the aftermarket springs being too long because the thing just wouldn't spool up...it would just go off slowly lugging along when I pulled the trigger until it picked up speed

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 7:18 AM   
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I'm still having problems with these nitros...but part of it is I just don't have the time to work on them like I'd like, or to run them when I get them back together, but I'm pretty sure I got it this time, 'cause it RAN good, just had no get up and go (1/10 buggy)...all the leaks are good...I think it was the aftermarket springs being too long because the thing just wouldn't spool up...it would just go off slowly lugging along when I pulled the trigger until it picked up speed


sounds like your throttle is not opening all the way, check the orofice in the carb when you open the throttle. or maybe your running ultra rich.


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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 7:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		sorry...hit enter by accident...I'm a few years younger (33)...I used to race 1/10 scale drag, oval, road course, and off road, and 1/12 road course...I started with an aristocraft kangaroo, then as my dad got into it with me (and got the better toys), I got all his old stuff when he upgraded...I had belt drive on road and off road RC10's, on road and dirt oval bo-links, rc12-L, and rc-10L...we used to manufacture and sell oval onroad chassis and other racing components as well as put out a local racing magazine (more like a newsletter) to cover local and major events in the northeast...Most of the cars I had ended up with more home-made stuff than factory parts...I had a 10L narrow before you could buy them when the factory drivers were still testing them...I had bought a body (they came out with them for drag racing, and had hit the market pro-active) and then built the rest of my car using the main components from my regular 10L...I tested for a few weeks at local track, and went to a regional championship as it's first time out, and I had my first (and only) A main in a major event with all second rate gear...That same race, my father had run his 34 coupe bodied drag car (we used to sell drag kits too) in the Insane run, and had come in 2nd place only to Joel Johnson in a car that he gunned it down the straights with the wheels in the air, and coasted around the corners...I know all about smaller upstart companies failing due to price and advertising (or lack there of)...Our current venture is manufacturing sheetmetal parts for old mopars...a nitch market, and although it scrapes by and keeps busy, it's the same problems that prevent us from doing it full time...Price (don't do enough volume to get a better rate on supplies), and lack of advertising...but when the company doesn't make enough to advertise in the magazines....
I don't know how relevent this is, but you asked how old, experience, and we were discussing the problems with small businesses prices and advertising...The bottom line, is to do well in a market, you have to advertise (if financially feesible), and you have to offer the customers what they want, which is the best product they can get for the best price...

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 7:28 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 8:35 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 8:55 AM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 6:25 PM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 9:31 PM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 9:49 PM   
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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		would they fit in a stadium maxx??? Everyone I've talked to on those things tells me to put the OS .18 direct bolt in on it, but most of the OS .18's are like $110-$140 and that one is $210+...it's the kids truck, and I feel bad because he only got to drive it once when I got it running pretty good, then we broke a tie rod, replaced that, blew a glow plug and cross threaded the head...took a while to be able to pick him up an extra head (should have gotten mail order stock, but got one at the LHS for friggin $59)...I've had it running so so, but he's kinda lost interest because time is limited and by the time I get it running half decent, we've got something else to do. And because it's such a pain to tune, he's got to wait for me to have the time to get it tuned before he can even go out and use it...I made a mistake, I thought there were a lot of advantages to nitro that would make it better for him, and I was wrong...paid over $500 out the door to get everything we needed to get running...I thought it would be cheaper and better for a kid because you'd get more run time, didn't have to worry about the terrain draining the battery life, waiting for batteries to charge...Actually I thought it would be cheaper because you don't need batteries, chargers, etc...I think an electric would have been much better for him, especially since he's not the worlds most mechanically inclined person...I think for x-mas, I'm gonna get electrics for all 3 of them...they're all interested in RC, but the truck was a b-day present for the oldest...and after my experience, I just think the electric is better for the kids...but I'm still determined to get better at the nitro's for myself...I'm an old gear head and love the smell of the nitro and the extra speed...so I might end up inheriting the truck (although I had really wanted a jato, but my wife told me I could only get an RC if I spent less than $200...hense the 1/10 buggy)

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RE: msn redcat group - 8/28/2006 10:34 PM   
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lemme know how ur 3.3 goes. I hear you have to be very precise with that one.


well i dont know about engine life ive put 4 gallons threw revo 3.3 and almost 2 gallons threw jato 3.3 so far and yes with the insane speeds you need to be on your toes with them. they handle really well due to sway bars but its a good idea to run them in a wide open empty parking lot or huge track

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