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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/13/2006 9:29:09 PM

fred0000

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dont let these guys talk you out of drifting the 2WD if thats what you want to do, do it. it would be great to do cause once you master it your that muich better then all of these trash talkers. i would really like to see pics of your ride, could that be aranged?

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/14/2006 2:24:42 AM

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wait so how does expressing an opinion become trash talking? i know a few of the guys here are seasoned rc drifters. they've tried most all types of rc drift. what we are saying is that 2wd drift is harder than what its worth. not saying its impossible. if you can do it more power to you but try and go up to a competition with 4WD and its gaurenteed you will get slaughtered. they will have better angle, more control, longer drifts. I admit it would be fun to see some RWD dorifto goin on, that would be hot, but for the show aspects of it and the fun factor i would say that 4wd is going to win it over. i know its been said before but the physics between 1:1 drift and 1:10 drift are just too different. if you can set up a front motored RWD rc i think it would make more sense to try the RWD drift. so this trash talking that you are speaking of isnt trash talk at all.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/14/2006 3:02:25 AM

fred0000

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i see what you mean, i totaly understand and agree with where your coming from, ya drifitng RWD could be easy but it wont be as impressive then like a 20 foot drift (i have no idea how far they drift i have not recieved my first drift RC yet, less then 5 days till its here BTW) well have fun and..well i cant wait to get out there and drift

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/14/2006 3:18:02 PM

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Okay. Here's the fun factor of r/c drifting. It's pretty easy and doesn't take a lot of money or modification, given the right setup. And once you get the hang of it, You just throw in a battery and go. However, with RWD, you can't just do that. You're going to have to tune and modify or possibly fabricate a setup. And then, the same quality drifts aren't garunteed. On top of that, to do most of the stuff I've read mentioned in these boards to get a RWD car isn't going to be the cheapest or most hassle free process. And even then, consistancy isn't garunteed. The issue initially seemed to be that this kid didn't want to spend a lot of money or do a whole helluva lot to have fun with his r/c. Well, all this stuff people keep talking about negates both of those points.
Nobody's saying you CAN'T drift RWD. But for the time and effort it takes, is it really worth it? Sure, if you want to do a project and just have something to say that you did, do a RWD rc and get it competitive with 4wd. But, going thru all of that isn't why I got into r/c drifting. I got in it to have a lot of fun. And having to fabricate and re-adjust a gabillion parts everytime i go out, just to pull off a couple of s-curves at best, isn't my idea of fun.

2wdrifter, it's like this. If you want to "crack the code" of RWD rc, then do that. I'm sure most people would agree, it'd be cool to watch. But, if you're just trying to have a little fun at the expense of a straight line, then 4WD is the way to go. It really just comes down to what you're willing to put up with and do. That's just my $.02

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/15/2006 9:36:37 PM

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im not spending a whole lot on the car. if i can crack the RWD rc drifting code, then just about anyone could drift if they wanted.

And im going to post my car's pics when its done(in about 3 weeks.) I think its going to turn out pretty good. after all, im just starting on the painting stuff. easy on the flaming if you dont like the car.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/15/2006 9:53:14 PM

color0

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no worries there; i'm just going to have to crack the code before you do.

sorry to be redundant, but i never caught on as to what chassis you were using... i only know of one cheap 2WD RC that's not from toys 'r us, and that's the hpi dash. confirm/refute?

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/15/2006 10:16:56 PM

2WDrifter

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i think its a new bright or hpi

the system sucks, although it is fast enought to drift with.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/15/2006 10:49:10 PM

ROYjovero

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Must be a NewBright.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/15/2006 10:52:53 PM

ROYjovero

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Is it this one? http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKEK0&P=7

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/15/2006 10:53:27 PM

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thanks yor the ID of my car's manufacturer ROY

yep. thats it.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/16/2006 1:04:27 AM

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Well, we should give him one thing, "drifting" a larger 2wd is easier to control than a smaller one.

You should put some lead weight in the back. Buy some lead weight and stack about 12oz or so on the rear bumper. Maybe tape 3 or 4 D size batteries to get some weight in the back. Or maybe use a couple rolls of pennies.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDS32&P=ML

I think in order to drift a 2wd vehicle you need to put an unheard of amount of weight on the rear bumper. This is to unweight the front wheels as much as possible.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/16/2006 1:10:07 AM

ROYjovero

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Heavily loaded rear + unloaded front = understeer.

2WD cars will need to be modded to have a 25/25/25/25 corner weighting, or at least as close to 50/50 F/R weight distribution as possible.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/16/2006 9:09:29 AM

color0

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with a 1/6 car, you might get away with 50/50, but for my micros, more weight = more traction, and therefore a rearward bias is necessary.

understeer is the goal in RC drifting... without it, you won't get any more angle than your steering lock. you have to utilize controlled understeer to drift RWD. i dunno if you're familiar with mini-Z's, but the previous reason is why an MM mini-z is harder to drift than an RM with an equivalent setup. there's just more rear traction and stability afforded by placing more weight on the rear wheels.

again, i don't know how to drive a 1/6; i assume it would be like driving a go kart. therefore, all i can say is: countersteer f-ing early.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/16/2006 1:52:05 PM

Combatcm

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Heavily loaded rear + unloaded front = understeer.

2WD cars will need to be modded to have a 25/25/25/25 corner weighting, or at least as close to 50/50 F/R weight distribution as possible.

So you are telling me, with a rear weight bias, that when you fully peg the throttle using drift tires the car will understeer?

If the rear tires break traction under power, they are going to swing out if the fronts are trying to turn, they will always oversteer.

I almost guarantee, the trick with 2wd cars is to put as much weight in the back as possible. Something like 60/40 or even 70/30. Or possibly even more.

I'm picking a fight here, as long as you try to understand what I'm saying.

I have a TL-01 and some relatively grippy hpi dift tires, I might move the battery to the back and try this.

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RE: HOW DO YOU DRIFT WITH JUST 2WDRIVE????? - 6/16/2006 4:34:46 PM

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but a tl-01 is 4wd so it wouldnt be the same as adding rear weight to a RWD. adding more weight to the rear would make it have more traction because theres moreweight on them and even if you did break them out your car would probably whip right around because the front wheels would have nothing because of weight on the back. so yes you would oversteer but you would have no chance of recovering and spin.

if you added weight in the front then the rear tires would slide out easier and you might have some interia working towards your steering. if anything you want the RWD drift to be balanced so its like you're not just fishtailin.

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