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RE: simulator??? - 7/5/2006 8:26:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tim could have a good point. I don’t know much about xtr’s physics.But if they are moor realistic than it might be worth it. From its screen shots it looks as nice as real flight G3. xtr’s system requirements are about the same as G3. This is from an XTR distributors web site (Recommended video card: f.e. GeForce FX5900 Ultra 128 MB, Radeon 9700 Pro 128 MB or a later model. 8.1 or later version driver required. Hardware: Pentium 4 1200 MHz or similar AMD with 256MB RAM AGP 2X hardware accelerated video card with at least 32 MB of video RAM. 1 GB free hard disk space CD-ROM or DVD drive USB-Port 1.1 or 2.0)
I have used Real flight G3 and G2 and the physics aren’t much different. The main differences are things like the helicopter will slide better on the runway than on the grass. Sum of the larger scaled helicopters have scaled rotor heads which means they react moor like real helicopters instead of RC helicopters.
If you’re going to spend the extra money don’t let it slow you down from getting a real helicopter. With around $200 you can get a used copy of G2 and probably a blade or a similar helicopter. The simulator won’t teach you how to balance your blades or how to repair your helicopter, only the real thing can do that. If you do get a blade cp style aircraft just remember they are moor fragile then their larger cousins. And they can be damaged without a wreck. Mine had to low of a head speed and it did about $100 worth of damage, without wrecking. If I could return the helicopter and put the money towards a t rex, I probably would.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/6/2006 3:03:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		how did it cause $100 in damage?? did the electronics get damaged or something? btw, i'll take a look at xtr and see what i think of it.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/6/2006 5:57:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		She wasn’t tuned for any sort of flight out of the box. The blades didn’t have enough pitch to get airborne so I had to increase it. Unfortunately unbeknownst to me I had too much positive pitch which slowed my head speed down; the low head speed burned out the main motor brushes. And after that the motor was drawing higher amperage and it messed up two batteries and maybe even my 4-in-1 mixer. These smaller electrics are wonderful machines however they have to be perfectly tuned; otherwise you will be replacing parts without wrecks.
I became addicted after I fly her for the first time, and now I’m going through the helicopter withdrawal syndrome. I’m glad I have my simulator it’s the only thing keeping me sane.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/7/2006 2:58:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think i'm going to get a esky lama v2 or v3.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/7/2006 3:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is probably one of the best trainers around. I had mine before I had a simulator. Its fun to fly and it's a very capable flyer. Of the coaxial models like this the lama is one of the least expensive and best performing helicopters. It's much stronger then the housefly and it has better flight characteristics. The only one on the market that I know of that is better is the Hirobo XRB sky robo.
http://model.hirobo.co.jp/products/0301-905/index.html

It is moor expensive but you will get so much moor. The flight times and flight characteristics make it worth the extra money. The high end version of the XRB has brush less motors, They wont burn out and they wont heat up as much, and they wont wear down your battery as quickly. My lama gets about 7 or 8 minutes on a charge. An XRB will go 15 or 20 minutes.
They are both fine helicopters.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/7/2006 5:09:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		how much is the hirobo xrb sky robo? and would it be easier to learn on? also how many channels is it? 4? 6?

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RE: simulator??? - 7/7/2006 10:14:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is around $300 and it is 4 channels the same as the E-sky lama. The XRB sky robo would probably be easer to learn on simply because of its better construction, better parts, and longer flight time. This is a link to the first review I saw for the XRB
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4627
Although I have enjoyed my sky lama, in retrospect I should have waited and saved up the money to buy an XRB Sky Robo instead of an E-sky coco lama. With all the extra batteries, chargers, and replacement parts I have purchased for my sky lama I have spent about $300 including shipping.
Although replacement parts are moor expensive for the XRB you will buy less of them over time. An XRB is really the way to go, I know the price seams very steep at first, but if you take care of it, it will last longer than almost every other helicopter on the market with less need of replacement parts.
If you have to wait an extra few weeks to save up the money trust me, it will be well worth it.

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You will get their faster by going slower

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RE: simulator??? - 7/7/2006 11:05:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		sounds like it's going to be a christmas present ................

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RE: simulator??? - 7/7/2006 11:38:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		That’s what my t-rex will probably be.
It'll be nice to fly again though.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/8/2006 2:57:25 AM   
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RE: simulator??? - 7/8/2006 10:39:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		taoist flyer, do you think you could give me a review on the esky lama v2 or v3. and do you think you could tell me what the pros and cons are of that helicopter. and also what problems you've faced and what part breaks most often?

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RE: simulator??? - 7/10/2006 11:40:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would be glad to, I am buesy in the office this week so i will post on wednesday for you. I'll try to get sum video for you.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/11/2006 12:07:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		that'd be great! i can wait til' wednesday.

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RE: simulator??? - 7/12/2006 6:39:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a video review of the E-sky coco lama version 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Y6D3UmOgo
This was my first 4 channel RC helicopter. At the end of the video I accidentally call it a honey bee cp2. I have a cp2 and it has been on my mined recently.
The coco lama is a blast to fly, she is very responsive and is easy to fly and repair.
The retail price averaging around $110 is very reasonable. Spare parts are inexpensive however they must be ordered on line, so it is best to order them before you need them, it will save a great deal on shipping and on down time.
Even with chipped or cracked blades the lama will still fly great, however you will need replacement blades. You will also need replacement blade grips. The main motors will go out after a few months of flight and will need to be replaced. I haven’t replaced mine yet but it needs to be dun. You will also want one or two extra batteries. You may want an extra center shaft as well. I have an extra fly bar but I haven’t needed it yet.
The pros of the lama are its price and its’ sturdy construction. (I have flown mine into a ceiling fan on high before and she still flew fine). Easy maintenance is another pro; the only tools you will need are a small hex wrench a small screw driver and maybe sum glue.(I have glued my tail boom back together moor then once)
The cons are its limited flight time of about seven to nine minutes on stock batteries.
It is outfitted with two brushed motors which will burn out after a few months of daily flights; this will cause your batteries to become unable to sustain a constant voltage.
The result is an unexpected drop in voltage during flight. This forces the helicopter to land, or crash depending on your piloting skills.
I have really enjoyed my E-sky coco lama. It has great flight characteristics and is well constructed and it comes truly ready to fly, just add 8 AA batteries.
I did have to adjust the mixing of the main motors to control excessive counter clockwise yaw. It was very easy to do; there is a screw on the mixer that you can turn in small amounts to make one motor faster or slower.
I would love to increase its flight time, however after seven or eight minutes of flight the motors become extremely hot and should be allowed to cool down. Brush less motors would fix this problem and increase the flight time to up to 15 minutes. However I wou