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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Buil... - 8/28/2007 2:56:35 PM   
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Gordon,you gonna put a G-62 on that Moon???????
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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Buil... - 8/28/2007 2:58:30 PM   
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Richard,

Mike Dunphy at PAC RC has the airfoil and dimensions all set up in his wing cutter. You can reach PAC at 615-220-0655. You'll probably speak with Maureen (Mike's wife). Just tell her you know me, and you're going to be building a Bulldog as well and would like a call from Mike about a set of wings. He'll need to know the wingspan and such when you're ready. Not sure what he'll charge, but I can promise you it'll be very reasonable, especially for a smaller set like that. And you can ask Bill (stickbuilder) how good of a job he does, and how clean the wings are when you get them.

I'll give mike a ring today as well, to let him know to expect to hear from you at some point.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Buil... - 8/28/2007 2:59:40 PM   
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Gordon,you gonna put a G-62 on that Moon???????



LOL.

No, i was thinking of sending one of mine back to Ralph, however, for his special "airless environment modifications" so I can build a plane that will GET to the moon.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Buil... - 8/28/2007 3:16:02 PM   
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Thanks for the number. I will be playing with the new Tile program for a while though to figure out what size I will need. What is the wingspan of the .40 model? If I size it up 10% that would be an
10% increase over the .40 size wing, yes?

I need to get the program to my house and spend some time with it. I downloaded here at work because this is where I have printer and scanner.

Thanks for the help.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/28/2007 3:25:08 PM   
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.40-sized Bulldog has a 44" top wing, and 42" bottom wing. I'd say just go with round numbers, and call it 49" top wing and 46-47" bottom.

The way to do that in tile print is pretty simple. Just pull up the wing plan, click the ruler button at the top, and then dra a line from wingtip to wingtip on the top wing. In the box next to the ruler button, type in "49", and it'll scale the whole plan up to be just right with a 49" top wing. once that's done, you can print the plan, take an exact measurement of the bottom wing (or you could cheat it a bit down or up to the nearest inch) and have those numbers for Mike when you're ready.

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Along those lines, I've been thinking of doing a little 'tutorial' for Tile Print...if I can get Andrew's permission for that, I'll work on it and toss it in here soon-ish.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/28/2007 3:40:43 PM   
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Cool thanks. What does the 40 size weigh, around 4.5 lbs?
My hopes are to make the airframe big enough to carry a 5 cell A123 Nanophosphate (about 15 oz plus 10 oz for motor/ speed controller ) that will give enough volts/amps to put out near 1000 watts of power. The 60 size eletric and 80 amp speed controller should make great power to drag the airframe around Jim Leroy style. I just have to decide what size airframe to make it. That is the coolest part about the tile print, one just has to do their homework for the size.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/28/2007 5:59:48 PM   
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Along those lines, I've been thinking of doing a little 'tutorial' for Tile Print...if I can get Andrew's permission for that, I'll work on it and toss it in here soon-ish.


Sure, go for it.

Don't forget, Tile Print can generate airfoils that can be exported as a DXF for CAD or a DAT for a CNC foam cutter.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/28/2007 6:03:28 PM   
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Sure, go for it.


Will do. Thanks!

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FWIW, I just spoke with Maureen up at PAC RC...while this is by no means a firm price, as every set of wings would depend, of course, on the size, and whether or not you wanted a custom airfoil, and, of course, whether or not Mike had to do any resizing and such, you can figure a ball park figure of about $75 for a set of wings for a 1/3rd scale Bulldog like I've built. Obviously, as you scaled down, the price would go down as well, again depending upon amount of foam used, etc.

In any event, as you can see, the price would be quite reasonable.






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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/29/2007 3:52:52 AM   
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Richard,

The wing cores that mike cut for the giveaway Bulldog are works of art. I have seen other wing cores before, but these are truly great. They are worth whatever Mike wants to charge for them. It's a pity to have to sheet them.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/29/2007 3:56:16 AM   
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Thanks Bill!!

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/29/2007 3:01:55 PM   
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They are worth whatever Mike wants to charge for them.


I'll be sure to tell him that.

Hey, uh, Richard? Might not want to rely on that previous number there...err...somehow I think the price might go up.

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In all seriousness, Bill's right. The wings Mike cuts are flawless, or he won't let them go out the door. I say that both as someone who's flown them, and as someone who's developed more than a passing interest in theri creation. I've watched him cut dozens of sets for various customers, and I swear, people with OCD look at this guy and say "dude...relax" when he's cutting wings.



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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/30/2007 3:44:45 PM   
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Picked up the Sea Commander wheel pants from the Post office this morning.



These things are STUNNING. Beautifully finished, PERFECT shape, just gorgeous in every regard. They've even been reinforced appropriately for mounting.

Takes a while to get em here from Canada, but WELL worth the wait.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 8/30/2007 5:35:51 PM   
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Well, since the wheel pants arrived, I was motivated to go out to the shop and look over the damage from Sunday's maiden. Here's the full scoop:

1) Need a new set of axles...hopefully one I won't cut off IN the flat spot this time. *heh*
2) Gear will need remounting. No problem, but going to put a 1/8" light ply doubler on the fuse this time, and tie the mounting plate in to that, as well as F2/F3.
3) Found that the LE bottom wing mount, while still intact, was going to go pretty soon...TE mount already had at one side. So, fuse will get 1/8" light ply doublers around the wing saddle as well, and wing mounts will be redone to tie into those.
4) Prop i, of course, shattered. New one will be on the way from Bob's Hobbies soon.
5) Spinner took a minor ding to the paint...no physical damage however, so a quick touch up will be fine there.
6) Flying wires are fine...just apparently either THOUGHT I put Loctite on the turnbuckles and didn't, or the Loctite wasn't enough. In either case, replaced the turnbuckles, and will CA them next time, which should hold them, but still allow them to be "broken loose" if needed.

Obviously, none of those things are big deals...in fact, no more than a day's work for the lot.

The one truly disappointing thing is that there's a TREMENDOUS amount of slop in the elevator halves now. I'm having a great deal of trouble tracking it down, but at least SOME of it is in the HiTec 5645MG servos back there. it also looks like some of it may actually be in the linkage, despite the use of VERY high quality components, including Titanium pro links, Dubro Ball Links, and the Dubro 866 Heavy Duty Control Horn rigs. I am, frankly, kinda disgusted with this problem, as i specifically went with those components to AVOID any slop.

In any event, I've put a couple of JR 8611's on order, figuring I might as well just bite the bullet, and will be redoing the linkage from servo to surface. Will keep the ball links on the servo side, and look for a way to go to ball links on the surface side as well, and eliminate as many 'connections" as possible.

Finally, the more I think about it, the more I think that the airplane IS a bit tail heavy, despite my original assessment that it wasn't. Initially, it wanted to climb a bit on me...few clicks of down righted that no problem. However, it would pitch up rather significantly whenever power was cut, and was quite sensitive in pitch on the landing approaches, but not during normal flight.

I had originally thought there was some down thrust in the engine, despite my attempts to set it 0-0. That would certainly explain the pitch up when power was cut. However, so would tail-heaviness. the pitch sensitivity is probably explained by the fact that I had MASSIVE expo in the elevator, and had trimmed some down elevator...during cruise flight, those two factors would combine to make it less sensitive in pitch, but as power was reduced and speed fell, the down trim would be less effective, and the longer elevator movement required would have pushed out of the "expo zone" so to speak...

That being the case, as part of the repairs, I'm going to remount some equipment. Smoke pump, its battery, and the Rx batt were all about 6" behind the CG. Since the gear are off, and the tank area easily accessible ANYway, I'm going to go against my initial thinking, and go ahead and move all of that equipment up into the tank area, directly under the CG. The tank tray will be remounted higher in the fuse, so the new "smoke/batt/servo" tray can go below them, with a safe couple of inches between the two. Next, the choke and throttle servo, which are currently about 18" rear of the CG, will come up there as well...figuring that since I have a bunch of radio components up there ANYway, might as well put as many up there as I can. Finally, I'll probably move the motor another 1/4" out. All of these things combined should make at least a "notable" difference....and it wasn't IMPOSSIBLE to land before, just difficult.

So...there you have it.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Bui... - 9/2/2007 3:59:04 AM   
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Gordon. I have the same servos on my eagle , I have been flying it for 2 years now and do not have any issues. there is some slop but not too much I dont think . they vibrate a tad while I taxi but I never get flutter in the air . I would say send them back to