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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/12/2007 4:43:04 PM   
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Why am _I_ assigning numbers? It was JOE'S idea!

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/12/2007 6:52:05 PM   
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Why am _I_ assigning numbers? It was JOE'S idea!



It's your thread.

Bill, AMA 4720
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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/12/2007 9:16:17 PM   
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It's your thread.



Fine fine...let's see here.

I mistakenly took 4 earlier...that should be Andrew's. So:

#1 : Jim
#2 : Joanie
#3 : Tommy
#4 : Bipe Flyer (Andrew)
#5 : Yours truly
#6 : gjmjoe017 (Joe...after all, he essentially "introduced" me to Jim via e-mail.)
#7 : flyjay77 (Jayson...come on, he WORKED with the guy)
#8 : Michael Hicks (No, he's not here, but when you've seen his work, you know he deserves a spot)
#95 : Stickbuilder (Bill ought to get #99, but we're letting him slide because at least that "other" brotherhood is biplane related)

I think that's it...right?



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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/12/2007 9:52:34 PM   
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That looks good to me.You might want to add Jim Lazendorf who is doing some Tributes to Jim with his 46%Ultimate in the Bulldog I Scheme and a real fan.But looks like the Bulldog Botherhood is off and running!!!

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/12/2007 10:27:37 PM   
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Geez Gordon, I thought you wuz kidding about the 95 thing. What about Mike Dunphy. He deserves at least an honorary number, don't you think?

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/12/2007 11:57:24 PM   
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Pretty Cold Huh Bill?I don't care what he says I think your at least 89!!

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 3:07:02 PM   
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Yeah, Bill, Mike and Scott both probably need to be Honorary Members. And, admittedly, a HUGE percentage of this plane was built from stuff acquired at the Dunphys' RC shop, PAC RC...so...

Aww heck.

#9 - Honorary members - PAC RC & the Dunphys.

There we go.

Oh, and Bill, you brought it on yourself...it's not the "other brotherhood" that's such a problem...it's that you called it BETTER. :P

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Did some more flying with the Bulldog yesterday. Looks like everything's REALLY coming together, and we've got things just about right. Even tried a couple vertical jammers!

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Since I've gotten away with going off topic a few times...I'm gonna try it again.

I'm on something of a mission. It probably really shouldn't be such a "big deal" to me, but it is. I grow weary of the misleading, incomplete, and frequently downright WRONG advice I see tossed around on here (here=RCU as a whole, not this particular thread), "supported" only by low AMA numbers, high post counts, or an oh-so-precious "Moderator" tag under a screen name. As such, I'm on this mission to "spread the word", if you will....the "word" of the actual facts, reasons, and physics behind why airplanes do what they do.

So...I'd like to recommend Wolfgang Langewiesche's Stick and Rudder: An Explanation of the Art of Flying to everyone reading this thread. It's pretty much the bible of flight.

Sorry for the tangent...RCU's just ****ing me off this morning.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 3:39:22 PM   
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Yeah, Bill, Mike and Scott both probably need to be Honorary Members. And, admittedly, a HUGE percentage of this plane was built from stuff acquired at the Dunphys' RC shop, PAC RC...so...

Aww heck.

#9 - Honorary members - PAC RC & the Dunphys.

There we go.

Oh, and Bill, you brought it on yourself...it's not the "other brotherhood" that's such a problem...it's that you called it BETTER. :P

================================================================================

Did some more flying with the Bulldog yesterday. Looks like everything's REALLY coming together, and we've got things just about right. Even tried a couple vertical jammers!

====================

Since I've gotten away with going off topic a few times...I'm gonna try it again.

I'm on something of a mission. It probably really shouldn't be such a "big deal" to me, but it is. I grow weary of the misleading, incomplete, and frequently downright WRONG advice I see tossed around on here (here=RCU as a whole, not this particular thread), "supported" only by low AMA numbers, high post counts, or an oh-so-precious "Moderator" tag under a screen name. As such, I'm on this mission to "spread the word", if you will....the "word" of the actual facts, reasons, and physics behind why airplanes do what they do.

So...I'd like to recommend Wolfgang Langewiesche's Stick and Rudder: An Explanation of the Art of Flying to everyone reading this thread. It's pretty much the bible of flight.

Sorry for the tangent...RCU's just ****ing me off this morning.


Gee, Gordon,

I guess I qualify for at least two of the things that whizz you off. Sorry bout that.

Bill, AMA 4720 (it's my number, and I won't change it)
WACO Brotherhood #1 (we got a lot of WACO Fans)
Bulldog Brotherhood #95


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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 4:29:39 PM   
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Gee, Gordon,

I guess I qualify for at least two of the things that whizz you off. Sorry bout that.



Not at all, Bill. Don't misunderstand...low AMA numbers and the like don't "whiz me off" in the least. It's when they're the sole justification for an opinion that I tend to get a bit peeved.

I've never seen you insist something was right just because you say it is, or just because you've always done it that way. You and I have talked NUMEROUS times about the fact that there are dozens of ways to skin a cat, and so long as the cat stays skinned, it's all good.

Now, to be sure...experience is valuable....and there's no replacement for it at all. No book, no "degree", no ANYTHING will replace 20 years in this hobby, or 1000 hours in a cockpit, or a dozen kits built. But what experience brings is, imo, just that...experience. It doesn't change facts.

Consider an example....let's say someone's "always built wings this way". He's been building wings by "method A" for 10 years, on 23 different models, and never had one fail. When he tried method X and Y, they both failed in flight.

His experience can be valuable to a newer hobbyist, who wants to try method X. He can say "I have seen Method X fail for the following reasons." Or, if someone says "Hey, will method A work?" he can say "I've had great success with method A, when done this way".

Absolutely, that kind of thing has TREMENDOUS value. And I'll NEVER argue with that. That is precisely the sort of wisdom YOU bring to this community, and from which I and this build personally benefited.

But here's the thing, Bill...DESPITE your low AMA number...DESPITE your years of experience and wisdom...when you and I discussed DIFFERENT ways of building wings, we did so from the foundation of FACT. HOW do wings fly, WHAT stresses do they undergo, WHAT will this plane do in that case, etc. And ya know what? YOU LISTENED AND LEARNED just as I did. To be sure...I have a TRUCKLOAD more to learn than you do, but you didn't let your "old ways" get in the way of accepting that there might just be an alternative, and it might work just fine. heck, it might even have BENEFITS. As a result, the charity Bulldog is going to have some VERY strong, VERY light wings.

THAT's the sort of thing I'm talking about. YOU respond to ideas outside of your own framework with openness and logical fact-based discussion. You defend what's right tenaciously, but you've never claimed to be or acted like you were the be-all and end-all of RC knowledge.

The same can not be said of others.

And hey...I never said Wacos were bad things...I love them! I'm just given ya grief cuz YOU said it was a better brotherhood than this one. *heh*


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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 4:44:20 PM   
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Well, Gee....Everyone knows that a WACO's better'n a Pitts, which is better than an EXTRA, which is better'n a CAP, which is better'n a YAK, which is better'n a.....You get the idea....

Bill, AMA 4720
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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 4:58:58 PM   
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Well, Gee....Everyone knows that a WACO's better'n a Pitts, which is better than an EXTRA, which is better'n a CAP, which is better'n a YAK, which is better'n a.....You get the idea....



Well...ok....but NO Waco is better than THIS Pitts.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 6:34:08 PM   
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Well, Gee....Everyone knows that a WACO's better'n a Pitts, which is better than an EXTRA, which is better'n a CAP, which is better'n a YAK, which is better'n a.....You get the idea....



Well...ok....but NO Waco is better than THIS Pitts.


If you were talkin' bout a Sampson, I might be inclined to agree, since it does have two wings and a round motor. This one, however, uses a flat motor, and thus goes the argument.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 7:32:14 PM   
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Well, Gee....Everyone knows that a WACO's better'n a Pitts, which is better than an EXTRA, which is better'n a CAP, which is better'n a YAK, which is better'n a.....You get the idea....



Well...ok....but NO Waco is better than THIS Pitts.


If you were talkin' bout a Sampson, I might be inclined to agree, since it does have two wings and a round motor. This one, however, uses a flat motor, and thus goes the argument.



So, you're saying if I put an ELECTRIC motor in it, it'll be better than a Waco??




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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch B... - 9/13/2007 7:43:09 PM   
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