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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 4/8/2007 4:28:22 PM

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Talked to Gordon last week,he is fine,not much building lately he said.He is trying to get Nashville to win the Stanley Cup!!!
As far as the GP Pitts,I haven't heard a bad thing about it.Not for the novice flyer,but any experienced flyer should have a blast with it.I should have mine done in three or four weeks modified into a Bulldog II.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 4/8/2007 5:20:04 PM

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I JUST DONT WONT TO CRASH IT I WANTED ONE FOR A LONG TIME I GOT THIS ONE WITH A US 41 ON IT BUT IAM PUTTING
A SACKS 3.2 52CC ON IT I KNOW HOW TO FLY BUT OH WILL I SAW YOU WAS BUILDING ONE SO I TOUGH I WOULD ASK
SOMEONE ON MY PITTS THAT THE WING WILL COME OFF IN FLYED THAT IT DOSE NOT LAND VERY WILL THAT YOU LAND IT
HOT THAT IT WILL FLIP OVER WILL OK THANKS FOR YOUR TIME YOUR PITTS LOOKS VERY NICE HOLP YOU LIKE WIN
YOU FLY IT PLEZ LET ME KNOW HOW IT WAS THANKS AGAIN MICHAEL

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/11/2007 6:24:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Maudib

50cc... it was a Miles Reed/Dave Dessecker plan built... covered to look like the Bulldog... I was actually building two... and after getting the first done was going to modify the second to have more scale features...

I am absolutely fascinated by the success you had with turning the Weeks into a Bulldog. Would you be kind as to expand upon the major changes and pray tell, where did you come across the graphics? I have 2 sets of gear, canopies and glass parts for the 72" Reed Weeks and while I do want to do a Weeks as it was intended I would like to do the second one as what you have done here with the Bulldog. PM or otherwise. Good show!

Thanks, John

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/11/2007 6:50:23 PM

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Maudib,

I found your great sequence on the build on your build and look forward to seeing it's completion. There is a lot of universal value in your work there that would benefit many situations.

I have just realized though that I have the Miles Reed "Weeks Special" Plans and not the Challenger plans. Do you know who sells the Challenger Plans? I think the same parts will fit. Not sure about the cowl. I would like to know where the 1/3 Bulldog decals come from.

Thanks, John

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/12/2007 4:38:48 PM

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He lives!

Been a rather long layoff, I know. Been spending a whole bunch of time (and money...sheesh) working on my full scale license (soloed last month! WHEE!), and of course the hockey season kept me busy (and broke) and, to be honest, I just got in something of a "nah, don't wanna" funk for quite a while there. Wrecked a couple of planes, weather was cold, yadda yadda yadda. So...essentially, haven't done much of ANYTHING RC for a while.

This past week, I got one of the wrecked planes (1/4 PW Extra) back up and flying, went to a flyin, spent some time out at the field...kinda renewed the "spark" if you will...also have a 1/3 BUSA Sopwith Pup kit on the way Saturday, so the juices are flowing again.

I suspect I'll be out in the shop this week, cleaning and organizing, so i can get back to work on Jim.

In short..nope..haven't died...just went into hibernation for a while.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/12/2007 5:20:03 PM

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hi can you send me some pics of what a bull dog pitts looks like my email is michaeldollens@yahoo.com thanks

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/12/2007 6:34:19 PM

gboulton

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Mike,

There's a shot of my .40 sized bulldog in the first post of this thread. I've got a few more up in some of my airshow albums at http://public.fotki.com/BluesConvert/airplanes/scale/airshows/ Also, any google search on "Jim LeRoy Bulldog" will bring up quite a few, and finally, Jim has LOTS of galleries of the old scheme Bulldog on his website at http://www.bulldogairshows.com

It's worth noting that the BullDog is not really a "type of Pitts" per se, but rather Jim's "nickname" for his personal aircraft. It's a modified (he details many of the mods on his website) Pitts S2S.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/12/2007 8:14:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: gjmjoe017

Talked to Gordon last week,he is fine,not much building lately he said.He is trying to get Nashville to win the Stanley Cup!!!
As far as the GP Pitts,I haven't heard a bad thing about it.Not for the novice flyer,but any experienced flyer should have a blast with it.I should have mine done in three or four weeks modified into a Bulldog II.

The GP Pitts is a great flyer. It was proven years ago as it is an exact copy of the old "Pilot Models" 1/3.5 scale kit from around 1980. It is the only Pitts S2-A model (I think they, GP, call it a 1/3 S-1) that uses the different airfoil sections fully symetrical on top and semi-symetrical on bottom just like the full scale S2-A. If you can refer to a set of A.A.P Lloyd drawings it will show this clearly. If you can find a set of Pilot plans for the 1/3.5 S2-A to compare to the GP Pitts you will see that only a few minor changes have been made to the ARF. It was identical originally right down to the wire gear, a couple bulkheads and elimination of any mention of the front cockpit. An S-1 has the windsceen right at the cabane. The GP Pitts has room for the front cockpit ahead of the canopy. The GP is 1/3.5 scale aka 28.5% scale. 20' span of real S2-A or all Stock S-2's 20 feet which is 240" x 28.5% = 68.4 inches. Handy when an S-1S at 17'3" or 207"x .333 = 68.9 inches.

It's a shame that that the 1/3.5 aka 28.5% scale Pitts S2-A ever made is being marketed as a 1/3 scale. The Christen Eagle by GP whose wings are interchangable with the GP Pitts and called a 1/3 is a little off by the same token. The real Christen Eagle at an upper wingspan of 19'11'' would be 239" x .333 = 79.587 inches if it were 1/3 scale.

All scaling and conflicting info aside, the GP pitts and Christen Eagle are wonderful flying models. The original Pilot Kit was designed around the OS 1.60 twin, at least that is the motor shown on the Pilot Kits plan. It lends itself well to larger engines as this GP Eagle/Pitts hybrid with a Zenoah GT-80 would demonstrate. A DA50 or ZDZ40 work great as well.
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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/18/2007 1:25:38 AM

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Don't forget the Bob Dively Pitts S-2A is still available and is a true 33%with a span on 80".It is on my must have list some day.The company was bought out buy someone who worked there and is going to keep the Pitts kit alive.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/18/2007 5:19:36 PM

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I had a kit from Bob Dively Models. The router patterns were either worn out or never right. The parts were all off.

Airbourne Model Magazine in Australia sells a 1/3 S2-A plan that is a cleaned up and detailed version of the Andy Sheber Pitts S2-A. There's no mention to that on the plan but I have Sheber's, Dively's, and both versions of Andy's and it's Andy's all right.

Andy's first set illustrates a Fox .78....imagine.....but then the Quadra came along and Andy ammended his original drawing to illustrate the more successful Quadra. Newer copies of Andy's plan were still 42" paper. Hard to find nowadays but with the availability of the Airbourne plan a true 1/3 scale S2-A can still be easily had and Fiberglass Specialties has the parts. Andy did a 1/4 sale S2-A and a 1/3 S1-S as well that are harder to find. I had heard there was a 1/4 S1-S by Andy as well but have never seen proof.

Joe Ziomek was also a major contributor/ co-designer to Andy's designs.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/18/2007 5:44:24 PM

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Gordon,

Please contact me...you have my number, or just send me a pm (it's about the wings)

Bill, AMA 4720
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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/18/2007 8:27:55 PM

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Excuse me while I drip sweat all over everyone's plans...

Today is "reorganize the shop" day, in light of a sweet deal I picked up Saturday on an entire TRUCKLOAD (and yes, I really mean truckload...the pickup's bed was packed) of RC stuff. I'd say that you guys can't immagine how cluttered the shop has become, but then I remember...I'm talking to RC'ers...you can not only immagine it, most of you are probably LIVING it.

In any event...when the shop gets all cleaned and tidied, work will re-start on the Bulldog finally. I've managed to get my Extra AND mygiant aeromaster back into the air over the last 10 days or so, meaning those two "mini-projects" are now out of the way.

Bill, I'll give you a ring here in a bit...I still have those wing cores.

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/18/2007 9:33:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: gjmjoe017

Don't forget the Bob Dively Pitts S-2A is still available and is a true 33%with a span on 80".It is on my must have list some day.The company was bought out buy someone who worked there and is going to keep the Pitts kit alive.

You obviously pay attention to your Pitts. Many people like the Pitts but do not realize the many subtle variants. I know a bit about Pitts but couldn't tell anyone anything about an Extra or a Cap with any certainty.

There was a "Made in Europe" set of 1/3 Scale Pitts plans. They had the instruction and remarks in both French and English along the top of the sheets. The sheets on the bottom right corner had ie: ( CK Nov '78) or ( CK Jan '79). This was a nice set of plans and the only other set of 1/3 S2-A that did not begin with the Sheber design as it's basis. I bought 3 sheets from a guy in France thinking I was getting the whole set. The only Proper name associated with these plans is McCollough but the name is not credited with anything. Given the dating of the sheets I wonder if a magazine way have done a progressive article.

If anyone knows of a true 1/3 scale S2-B or S2-S I would like to know as well. There is a lot of difference between the fuselage of an A, B, os S model. The S2-C is a whole new plane.

An acurrate 1/3 S2-S would be great. Longer legs, single place and the shape of the cowl and and rake of the cabane to match the profile of the firewall which allows the engine to sit farther back due to the single place C of G is a pleasing shape. It's handy for the IO-540 installation as well.

If anyone knows about that European 1/3 S2-A design I would like to know it's origins, even if I never do complete the set. The plan sheets are on 36" paper and various lengths. This was a nice set of plans. Very Accurate. All I have is the tail sheet, fuselage crutch sheet and one wing sheet. There is no indication of how many sheets there are.

Thanks, John

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RE: Jim LeRoy Pitts Bulldog - Scratch Build Thread - 6/20/2007 7:10:46 PM

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And so...at long last, work begins on the BullDog's wings today. 1 spar for the bottom wing is curing up as I type this.

PROGRESS RENEWED!

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