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WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/25/2006 6:58:13 PM   
ForeverHero



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Status: offline 		Good Morning,
So would the Ultimate 40S make a good third airplane? I am currently flying a H9 Super Stick 40 and have about 20 flights on it so far and was looking ahead for something later this summer. I have seen this biplane in several posts here at RCU and in the magazines and it looks like a really nice plane and seems to get nice reviews. Also, we have a fella out at the field that has the 27% version with a DA - 50 and it looks like it flies really nice.
While I know that the 'Beginner' IMAC class allows you to fly any airplane, I was looking for something that would also qualify for the Sportsman Class. Granted, I may be looking too far ahead but everyone at the field keeps telling me how well I am advancing. So I figured that I would see if this is a posible choice for my third plane. If so which would be the better scheme to get? Yellow or Purple? Because I have a hard time determining what would be easier to see in the air... guess that'll get better with experience.

Thanks for any advice,

Mark

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/25/2006 7:12:10 PM   
bigedmustafa



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Status: offline 		I fly with a good friend of mine who bought a World Models Ultimate .40 with the yellow trim scheme as his third plane, but I'm afraid he's struggling with it quite a bit. He trained on a Nexstar and his second airplane is a GP Big Stik .40. He can fly the wings off the Big Stik, but trying to land the Ultimate .40 is wildly different from trying to land the Big Stik.

He isn't used to "greasing in" his landings and making his approaches under power yet. He's also struggling to get his O.S. Max FL-70 four stroke tuned in completely, and trying to dead stick the Ultimate .40 is always a bad idea.

I think if he had to do it over again, he'd have probably chosen a pattern ARF like the GP Venus 40, the Hangar 9 Arresti, or the Phoenix Models SeaBee as a third plane. A typical pattern ARF would be a good bridge between learning to land with the throttle up a bit and the more severe stall characteristics of an Ultimate biplane .

You can probably make the jump from Super Stik to Ultimate .40 if you take some extra time to practicing landing at 1/4 to 1/3 throttle with the Super Stik, and also log some simulator time to try to pick up the particular stall characteristics of the Ultimate . My friend did neither, and now he has a really nice plane he can't quite fly yet.

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/25/2006 7:13:30 PM   
Mr67Stang



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Status: offline 		I love that little bipe. It is one of the most atractive planes I have. I learned on a Nexstar and have since flown a 76 in Piper Cub, GP Dazzler 40, some SPADS but to date my WM Ultimate 40S hangs from the ceiling in my garage because I know I am not ready for it. If you are comfortable flying your plane all the way down to the ground and cutting your throttle after touchdown you may be ready. I have been practicing as the Cub requires some speed on landing but nothing like what the Ultimate will. Remember the bigger the plane the easier it will be. That Ultimate is tiny. Good luck but you really have to be the judge. I have never flown a super stick but if your just floating it down to land. I would recomend getting a better transition plane that requires a little hotter landing speed.

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/25/2006 8:22:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think this little plane has a lot of people fooled!! I too soloed on a NexStar as well as considerable time in on my Tower Trainer. About 10 flights on my WM Cap 232 46R (then I lost her) & some flights on my Dragon Lady w/Saito 100. My current favorite plane to fly is my WM Ultimate 40. I have the purple one & I can see it just fine, with failing eyes I might add. Don't know what the yellow one looks like in the air. 2 of my buddies also have purple ones, & one of them is the 27%er.

This has turned out to be the easiest plane to fly of the bunch, I love this thing. I've done 3 or 4 deadsticks with it just because I was having too much fun & ran the little fuel tank empty. It actually deadsticks really well, no problems at all. If you start out with low rates & just take it easy until you get a feel for it, it is a totally easy gentle flier. Everyone now thinks I am a much better pilot than I really am because this little plane makes me look much better than I am.

I really can't imagine being able to fly the wings off of a stick & not being able to handle the WM Ultimate 40, unless he didn't assemble it very straight to begin with. My buddie's came out a little squirrely so I took my time & got mine as straight as I could & it really payed off. Just a touch of down elevator had it flying hands off on the maiden flight. Since then it has just gotten more & more fun!!

It really zips around at half throttle with the OS .46 FXI out of the NexStar in it. Hands down the funnest airplane I have ever flown.

BigEd, Believe it or not your friend doesn't really have to bring her in all that hot, she slows right down for landing. I haven't have any trouble yet with it & I have already flown it in a pretty stiff crosswind. I thought it handled the wind great. I'll be shredding the sky again with it first thing in the morning.

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/26/2006 1:30:20 AM   
da Rock



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Status: offline 		I've got a purple one and she's a ****cat... that is, when I slow her down.

The only thing that little stubby-winged biplane s do that would give you problems is that their roll rates can often be BLAZING FAST. So fly the sucker with dual rates on the ailerons until you're used to how they can roll the airplane.

Those sorta short wings are the reason for that fast roll rate BUT they're also the reason for one good characteristic. If you've ever watched a long untapered wing model coming in to land in blustery wind, you've see what long wings do when hit with gusts. The big area out on those long wings get pushed around more than tapered winged airplanes. And short wing biplane s DON'T do that much at all.

I've found my little Ultimate to be about my easiest to fly model when the wind is blustery. It gets rolled as often, but not as far over. I fly a big 4Star every so often, and if the wind is bumpy, I got to be on top of that sucker every inch of the approach. Those big square tips catch every puff. But the little Ultimate just jinks a bit in the same blusters.

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/26/2006 12:48:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mr67Stang, I'd be willing to bet you can handle your Ultimate a lot better than you think. Now you & I have spoke to this matter before but I was unaware at that time that you have been flying a J-3 & spads. Both of which I would be willing to bet have many more bad tendencies than the Ultimate . The J-3 is a great time proven airplane, but let's face it, it requires some talent & constant attention to fly that rascal. While I have never flown a spad myself, those I know that do don't ever go on & on about what great fliers they are either!!

I think if you can handle the J-3 & the spads well, you're going to be amazed at how well mannered & easy to fly that your Ultimate is.
Go for it Brother, I think you're ready.

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/26/2006 1:10:01 PM   
skoemba



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Status: offline 		Grumpy, you sound like a social worker! Look what the mailman brought me a few days ago! I handle the flying of this plane like you do hide-and-seek: ready or not, here I come!

HOW BAD CAN IT BE!?

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/26/2006 1:51:38 PM   
elenasgrumpy


 

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Status: offline 		skoemba, Lol I don't know anout the social worker part but I do love this airplane! That's a sweet looking yellow one you have there. Now we need a firsthand flight report. So far we only have purple owners to compare with. Now that you have the yellow one you can answer his question as to how well you can see it in the air.

Darn I let the morning get away from me. Time to go fly the little bugger, My 2 friends with the other Ultimate s are meeting me at field this morning. Gotta go!

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/26/2006 2:07:19 PM   
skoemba



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Status: offline 		Grumpy, I had the Ultimate at the field yesterday for the maiden flight but, lo and behold, the engine would not co-operate!

I decided that, rather than risking a dead stick on the maiden flight, I will go back to the bench at home and properly adjust the engine. I think I was a bit in a hurry to get the sweety in the air, failing to really check and adjust beforehand!

By the way, it has a ASP 70FS up front

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/26/2006 2:26:15 PM   
Mr67Stang



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Status: offline 		Hey Grump, I will probably be flying it in a week or two. I just free'ed up an engine and some radio geer when a stress crack opened back up and sent my GP Dazzler into an uncontrolable spin. I will be putting an OS .50SX up there and probably a 12x4 prop. Oughta be fun if nothing else. The Ultimate looks to be built a bit sturdier than the Dazzler so I am sure the airframe can handle it. I will just set up some low rates and take it easy. This bird calls for 5mm aleron throw-- that does not seem like a lot. what would you recomend for a low rate... 3mm?

Stang

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/27/2006 12:51:01 AM   
elenasgrumpy


 

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Status: offline 		Yea I think so, I'm not very good at metric. you' d think I would have it down by now since all these ARFs we do are measured that way but I still think of everything in inches. I am actually ready to turn my rates up a bit I think. I just got in from playing Ultimate tag with my friends, then we went to Airborne Models to look at scratch & dent deals. Tomorrow the truck arrives with the new .90 size Ultimate s . They want $249 for them but they are a nice size plane. Still relatively small for carting around but stout enough to handle some engine if ya know what I mean. I think the 40 will handle the OS .50 ok if ya don't run it real hard all the time. Start low then work your way up on the rates. You're gonna love this plane!! Good luck.

I think I might need the new .90 size, just haven't figured out how I'm gonna swing it yet. Or where I'm gonna hide it.

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RE: WM Ultimate 40S - Good 3rd Airplane? - 6/27/2006 3:54:23 AM   
ForeverHero



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Status: offline 		Whoa!... thanks for all the info. I appreciate the info and after doing some reading, I have a few more questions. Will an OS .46AX w/ Pitts Muffler be enough power for this plane? Also, I was planning on using an APC prop on this one instead of a Top Flite wooden one. Will this setup provide enough power or should I look for a different engine/prop combo. My last question is that the aileron servo is positioned parallel to the trailing edge; aren't wing servos usually perpendicular to the trailing edges? Will this be a problem or do I have to modify the servo's orientation.

Thanks,

Mark

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